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From: .44
To: you guys
Date: Wed Sep 11 00:09:53 2002

Message:
To Merlyn, om/cf, Aussie, Justice USA, UK Citizen, and Facts 
Finder: you folks have defined quality and class on these boards 
ever since I can remember.  There have been moments of 
disagreement, but today I have to tell each one of you that 
you've shown the world that the U.S. and Great Brittain are the 
freest nations on earth because of the the resolve and the 
guttiness of character that each of you have.  Blessings to each 
one of you.                  

From: u know who
To: all
Subject: I am the faggot
Date: Wed Sep 11 00:31:47 2002

Message:
hi everyone,  i must cum clean now.  i am the faggot of the 
bord.  it is my stinky finger and stupid cock for brains self 
that has been making all the fake post about ass licking and 
cock sucking.  I am a sorry faggot and i am very sorry for being 
such a queer.

From: Walter
To: Family & Friends of the victims of 9-11
Subject: Call me Horton the Elephant,U.K.
Date: Wed Sep 11 01:52:30 2002

Message:
Today marks the one year passing of the tragic event which took 
so many innocent lives.Today,it seems like just a few moments 
ago.
 I started posting here under the name"Walter"10 months ago,and 
in my first few posts,I said things that were hurtful toward the 
family and friends of victims of 9-11.To anyone close to the 
innocent people who died on that day,I apologize.
 I could explain the reasons why these things were said,but to 
me,when people do that,it sounds like they're trying to lessen 
their guilt with excuses,so I won't.No excuses.Just an apology.

From:
To:
Date: Wed Sep 11 03:20:45 2002

Message:
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From: Scott 
To: Those still alive 
Subject: Attacking the United States 
Date: Wed Sep 11 01:27:59 2002 
Message:
The 9/11/01 attack was likely a mistake. 
  Granted, it got the complete and undivided attention of this 
nation as the succession of previous bombings and the like had 
not. Your international linkage of murders-for-profit, though 
you all like to think yourselves well cloaked in the false robes 
of faith and thirst for justice, had neither the courage nor the 
wit to declare themselves and clearly link these various blows.
  The people of the United States will go far indeed to blind 
themselves to a large scale plot, especially one which is most 
unlikely to truly threaten the Republic. To see you for what and 
who you are would mean the necessity to find and implement 
effective means ro kill you. This they would far prefer to 
avoid. All the more as you really do not have the power to be a 
serious danger. Certainly not on the scale that any real nation 
could be.
  So you "fought" your "jihads" and your "struggles". Happily 
earning your bread by relatively easy and deliciously 
conspiritorial murders, rendered relative safe by your own large 
scale ineffectuality. It must have been kind of fun it a way.
  Then you had to go and screw it up. 
  It is suicidally foolish to simultaneously enrage and frighten 
the United States of America. Yamamoto himself warned against 
this and was proven right. Others have committed the same deadly 
misunderstanding and underestimation. Each time this nationa's 
responses have, among other things, inevitably resulted in a 
country even more overwhelmingly powerful and posessing ever 
more of the very national characteristics you so violently 
destst and fear. 
  And you are quite right to fear them. To fear the attitudes, 
beliefs, and liberties which are the very soul and fabric of, 
and I use the word in a secular sense, "Christendom". it is not 
a theological sense. Japan belongs, the pieces of the former 
Soviet Union are struggling mightily to rejoin, many Muslim 
nations are members, albeit relatively recent in some cases. 
  The very people whose souls you profess to be seeking to save, 
the very ones whose eventual "liberation" you proclaim to 
justify your life of banditry, exploitation, and murder, these 
people have put their names on mile long lists of would be 
emigrants, they risk all to buy a spot on some smuggler's craft, 
some clever ones even travel here as your "sleeper" agents of 
destruction and then dissapear from your rolls and, becoming 
Americans in all but the letter of the law, laugh quietly at the 
thought of having their emigration to the center of the greatest 
civilization in the history of mankind financed and facilitated 
by those who would wreck it- but instead have unwittingly given 
us one more ally and fellow freeman. All these people leave the 
places where your writ runs and see the true virtues (along with 
the true weaknesses) of what you used to like to call "The great 
Satan".  And those who cannot escape put their time to trying to 
achieve where they are that which we have here in this great and 
proudly polyglot and "impure" land. 
  How it must gnaw at you! Shriveled souls have not the capacity 
to live freedom for themselves nor truly comprehend wishing it 
for others. 
  And the concentrated center of all this is the United States 
of America. You little realise the forces, already in motion, 
that you have spurred to greater speed and pressure.
  You feared the "corruption by modernization" of your old and 
narrow ways. Fear now the entire destruction of these ways. Fear 
their relegation, by their own practitioners and erstwhile 
conservators, to the status of funny, quaint old bits of 
folklore.
  Whether we call it Pax Americana or The New Rome, it is not 
certain that any of could stop its coming, wil or nil. It is 
sure that your stupidity has added to the impetus, not 
subtracted therefrom.
  I am not certain that I will like it myself as it forms and 
grows to compass the world. At least I have the unworthy 
pleasure of the knowledge that in the process YOU will be killed 
very dead indeed. And most of you quite unpleasantly. Unhappily, 
your hands will carry the additional blood of the foolish, the 
ignorant, and (not so bad a thought) the evil who will follow 
you under the crushing heel of the inevitable.
  You poor, blind dummies. You have become the walking dead in 
the course of destroying your own cause, one already doomed by 
its ultimate triviality. You sought to move mountains by fear 
and instead you brought God's own landslide down upon your cause.

From: National Enquirer
To:
Subject: Noth thow hardth
Date: Wed Sep 11 03:53:24 2002

Message:
Geoge dubya and Colin Powell have been caught giving condo rice 
a good spit-roasting. Dubya was apparently heard to say 'watch 
those fucken' teeth, jeez you could eat an orange thru' a tennis 
raquet!'

From: EMMA
To: ALL AMERICANS
Subject: TODAY
Date: Wed Sep 11 04:44:05 2002

Message:
I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST FOR TODAY AND HOPE THAT ALL GOES WELL 
AND YOU DONT HAVE ANY THING HAPPEN TODAY.. I AM A MEMBER OF THE 
BRITISH ARMY AND ANYTHING HAPPEN TODAY WE WILL BE RIGHT BEHIND 
YOU!!! WE ARE ALL PRAYING FOR YOU AND WE WISH YOU ALL THE BEST!! 
KEEP ON SMILING PEOPLE!!

From: awm
To: justice
Subject: dollar bill
Date: Wed Sep 11 06:06:47 2002

Message:
thank you for the information on the us dollar bill,very good 
information,i am a canadian  must obtain a us dollar and follow 
up on the information that you have giving thank you again and 
please keep the good work up and have a nice day,allan

From: awm
To: justice
Subject: dollar bill
Date: Wed Sep 11 06:06:47 2002

Message:
thank you for the information on the us dollar bill,very good 
information,i am a canadian  must obtain a us dollar and follow 
up on the information that you have giving thank you again and 
please keep the good work up and have a nice day,allan

From: awm
To: justice
Subject: dollar bill
Date: Wed Sep 11 06:06:47 2002

Message:
thank you for the information on the us dollar bill,very good 
information,i am a canadian  must obtain a us dollar and follow 
up on the information that you have giving thank you again and 
please keep the good work up and have a nice day,allan

From: awm
To: all usa
Subject: 911
Date: Wed Sep 11 06:26:51 2002

Message:
what happened on 11 sept.2001 should have never happened,one of 
the sadest days of my life to hear and see on tv the twin towers 
going down,did not affect only the 3000 who died,but affect the 
world too,the people who has done this crime,did this on there 
own not in the name of ALLAH or ISLAM,,ALLAH and ISLAM would 
never allow it to happen,but they happen to be muslims, a bad 
bunch of people with a cause of their own.the muslim people are 
good people who only seek peace and pray to their GOD,loving 
people

From: England
To: United States
Subject: Stand Tall
Date: Wed Sep 11 07:35:22 2002

Message:
September morn, covered in blue
Unified nations in the sandwich queue
The businessman s rush to his conference call
The last gasp of summer before the fall

People don t smile at this time of day,
But the the first kick of caffeine is but moments away
Then there ll be talk of the kids or the game
And a laugh about Jim and what s name

As this engine of flesh, rock, sand and steel gets underway,
The simple normality of another regular day,
Shall soon be cast down into the dark gates of the infernal
Where fires of hate burn slow and eternal

The Angel of Death screams through the sky,
Squandering life in the blink of eye.
Ordinary people with the simplest of dreams
Sprayed through the sky amongst paper reams

September morn has has been and gone
Disbelief lingers one year later on
Anger and rage displaced sadness and grief 
But hope, truth and love shall bring relief

For this land was not built for those who would hate
And this fact shall prevail, regardless of date
We shall make amends for the crime on your home
For rest assured america you re never alone 

But lest hate consumes us as it has done to them
Let us hold dear to our heart our early refrain
Good luck and good will to all decent men
And treasure this thought despite the pain 

From: Merlyn
To: all
Subject: Prediction (as promised)
Date: Wed Sep 11 09:31:36 2002

Message:
The past, present and future of America, our people and our 
leaders;
9-11-02

>Distant past: Nied   Ruled by Saturn, we acted in respect to 
the constraint and necessity of the situations. Our leaders have 
been solving problems with patience and self-reliance.  
We worked to overcome negative force to eliminate hate or strife.

>Distant present: Mann [reversed]  again ruled by Saturn, Our 
efforts were self delusion. We have been opposed by a group or 
enemy. 

>Distant future: Thorn [reversed]  ruled by Jupiter, Strong 
opposition, attack that requires defense and opposition 
unwilling to listen or see our views. Betrayal 

--------------------------------------------------------------

>Past present: Ken ruled by mars, Light in the darkness, the 
torch. Quick recovery due to good health and constructive, 
creative solutions. Positive action.

>Present as it is today: Geofu ruled by venus, Bonding and 
partnership. Unity of action Honor and willing sacrifice are the 
mark of Geofu, and indeed we saw all of those things on 9-11. 

>future present: Eolh ruled by Jupiter, Friendship, trust and 
most of all protection. The rune of healing and optimism. Surly 
the result we all remember. 

---------------------------------------------------------------

>Future past: Beorc [reversed] ruled by Jupiter, Deceit and 
internal false hood led to this state of affairs. The lack of 
the Goddess in our decisions, poor insight and planning. 
Pointing to our raping of the planet and ignorance of our own 
internal weakness. 

>Future present: Wyrd, the rune of fate, the three norns rule 
this rune and they fate is guided by them, past present and 
future. We are caught in the actions of our past mistakes. We 
must use our inner eye to see as our own eyes fail us. Our 
destiny is unchangeable unless we use our most inner feelings. 
Wyrd is Karma, the good and bad of Karmac debt. Our present 
decisions with Iraq must go beyond the greed and personal agenda 
of President Bush. The rest of the world is telling us this and 
we must listen, we have no choice. 

>Future distant: Ice (or is) ruled by Jupiter, again the planet 
of turbulence and strength. This is the rune of ego and self-
control, a line between two points and the keen edge of the 
blade. Preservation, reflection and a steady path are the coarse 
of the Ice rune. Often a mirror reflecting to us the true face 
of our future Ice means success. Ice also means stoppage of 
those things that can harm us and it is the fulcrum of time.  

---------------------------------------------------------------

>Insight rune: Daeg ruled by the sun, growth and progress are 
the mark of Daeg. The rising of the phoenix and the working with 
self are often a slow and steady progress. It is the rune 
denoting inspiration and a gift from Odin (the inner eye) 


>No attacks today, none tomorrow. We must learn and use 
restraint; we will see our way NOT to attack Iraq. For us to 
lead we must practice what we preach. Starting a war will not do 
this for us. We must rise above such ways and find the true 
strength within us to stay our coarse. God and Goddess bless us 
all with the insight courage and wisdom to find the answers and 
lead the world by example and emerge in victory of peace by 
creative and constructive ways. War is not the path of wisdom.
                    Awen /|\

From: Merlyn
To: All
Subject: Prediction
Date: Wed Sep 11 09:40:17 2002

Message:
The past, present and future of America, our people and our 
leaders;
9-11-02

>Distant past: Nied   Ruled by Saturn, we acted in respect to 
the constraint and necessity of the situations. Our leaders have 
been solving problems with patience and self-reliance.  
We worked to overcome negative force to eliminate hate or strife.

>Distant present: Mann [reversed]  again ruled by Saturn, Our 
efforts were self delusion. We have been opposed by a group or 
enemy. 

>Distant future: Thorn [reversed]  ruled by Jupiter, Strong 
opposition, attack that requires defense and opposition 
unwilling to listen or see our views. Betrayal 


>Past present: Ken ruled by mars, Light in the darkness, the 
torch. Quick recovery due to good health and constructive, 
creative solutions. Positive action.

>Present as it is today: Geofu ruled by venus, Bonding and 
partnership. Unity of action Honor and willing sacrifice are the 
mark of Geofu, and indeed we saw all of those things on 9-11. 

>future present: Eolh ruled by Jupiter, Friendship, trust and 
most of all protection. The rune of healing and optimism. Surly 
the result we all remember. 


>Future past: Beorc [reversed] ruled by Jupiter, Deceit and 
internal false hood led to this state of affairs. The lack of 
the Goddess in our decisions, poor insight and planning. 
Pointing to our raping of the planet and ignorance of our own 
internal weakness. 

>Future present: Wyrd, the rune of fate, the three norns rule 
this rune and our fate is guided by them, past present and 
future. We are caught in the actions of our past mistakes. We 
must use our inner eye to see as our own eyes fail us. Our 
destiny is unchangeable unless we use our most inner feelings. 
Wyrd is Karma, the good and bad of Karmac debt. Our present 
decisions with Iraq must go beyond the greed and personal agenda 
of President Bush. The rest of the world is telling us this and 
we must listen, we have no choice. 

>Future distant: Ice (or is) ruled by Jupiter, again the planet 
of turbulence and strength. This is the rune of ego and self-
control, a line between two points and the keen edge of the 
blade. Preservation, reflection and a steady path are the coarse 
of the Ice rune. Often a mirror reflecting to us the true face 
of our future Ice means success. Ice also means stoppage of 
those things that can harm us and it is the fulcrum of time.  


>Insight rune: Daeg ruled by the sun, growth and progress are 
the mark of Daeg. The rising of the phoenix and the working with 
self are often a slow and steady progress. It is the rune 
denoting inspiration and a gift from Odin (the inner eye) 


>No attacks today, none tomorrow. We must learn and use 
restraint; we will see our way NOT to attack Iraq. For us to 
lead we must practice what we preach. Starting a war will not do 
this for us. We must rise above such ways and find the true 
strength within us to stay our coarse. God and Goddess bless us 
all with the insight courage and wisdom to find the answers and 
lead the world by example and emerge in victory of peace by 
creative and constructive ways. War is not the path of wisdom.
                    Awen /|\


From: Missin'
To: Walter, Merlyn, om/cf, Justice, Justice USA, Fact Finder, U.K. Citizen...andd those I've forgotten and those we miss here.
Subject: Today
Date: Wed Sep 11 10:19:15 2002

Message:
Thanks for being here.  Each of you has, in your own special 
way, eased my pain over the past year.  I've enjoyed the 
debates, the closeness, the camaraderie.  I haven't been on much 
lately. 3-d life has taken me away from my internet 
friends...that's a good thing, though I do miss you all.  I'll 
be checking in today to see if any more of our old friends stop 
by.  But, I wanted to take just a moment to tell you all that 
you are all incredible people.  Each of you is special.  I wish 
you all the BEST that life has to offer.  Thank you for your 
shoulders when I needed to cry.  Thank you for the laughter when 
I needed relief from the grief.  Thank you for making me angry 
when I needed to vent.  Thank you for being part of my life.

From: Get a grip
To: everyone
Subject: reality check
Date: Wed Sep 11 11:52:06 2002

Message:
If there could be any doubt in your mind just how dangerous and 
ridiculous this situation has become, just put yourself in the 
shoes of a passenger jet pilot today. You now carry a gun, on 
the plane with you and all your passengers are just finished 
having a background check and close to being strip-searched. You 
trolley your jet down the Regan National runway knowing full 
well there are anti aircraft missiles on the white house lawn 
aimed at YOU. You cringe at the thought of any wrong move or 
throwing the wrong switch for fear of sending an alert. And you 
know there is a fighter jet primed and ready to shoot you and 
the 100 or so passengers in your jet out of the sky.
  All of this to prevent some sick suicidal religious freak 
armed with a box cutter.........
    Un fucking believable paranoia.
If this doesn't send a very clear message we certanly must be 
deaf!  

From: Justice
To: .44, Walter, om/cf, Merlyn, Missin', Justice USA, Italian guy, and anyone else I left off
Subject: Sept. 11
Date: Wed Sep 11 14:34:08 2002

Message:
Well it has been one year passed and we are a little more aware 
of what goes on in the world.  One year later and we remember 
the fallen victims and heroes of the 9/11 tragedies.  One year 
later and we are still fighting the war on terrorism.  It is 
hard to believe that one year ago today we were all in front of 
the TV or logging on to the computer to find out exactly what 
happened.  Trying to find out who and why.  Trying to find 
answers to our sorrow and anger.  I pray everyday for the 
victims and families of the victims of that horrible day.  I am 
in awe of the resilience of our country after the attacks.  I am 
inspired by the world-wide support that we received from 
countries like England and Canada.  I am proud to call myself an 
American and live in this great country of freedom.

From: an Italian guy
To: everyone
Date: Wed Sep 11 15:26:23 2002

Message:
so we're almost all here after 1 year. 
And after 1 year we still cannot completely understand WHY

From: Justice
To: Italian guy
Date: Wed Sep 11 16:42:53 2002

Message:
And after 1 year we still don't know why u know 
who/wally/shitball/polliwog/los lobos/insert new nick here is 
such a dickless wonder that has nothing good to offer our 
society or this board.

From: Get a grip
To: an Italian guy
Subject: Why do we post here
Date: Wed Sep 11 17:29:05 2002

Message:
Well, it has really come to light that when I talk to most 
people about all of this they are basically clueless! The 
average person has no idea what or why any of this happened. 
Aside from what CNN tells them and that is just those who 
actually watch the news, no idea at all. Fact is most anyone you 
might have asked prior to 9-11 couldn't have told you what a 
Muslim reads or believes in. 
  So we turn to the chat boards to those who can converse about 
world affairs and the facts and realities of religion and war. 
Knowing history is a very weak subject for most. Religion for 
most doesn't even get past what they are told in church, as most 
don't even read the bible they so boldly say they believe every 
word of! Very few ever venture past the local news and see what 
another country has to say about us, or what is going on. 

........>>>>>>>>>     That is why   <<<<<<<<<<<<<..........

From: Get a grip
To: Justice
Subject: Wondernuts
Date: Wed Sep 11 17:42:17 2002

Message:
As for wondernuts; there is no hope (wondernuts is his name of 
the day) 

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Drink of the day
Date: Wed Sep 11 17:44:18 2002

Message:
Rum & Coke over ice. 

From: North Carolina Gal
To: everyone
Date: Wed Sep 11 17:28:19 2002

Message:
It's been a long hard year for all of us, Hopefully we are a 
little wiser then a year ago, most importantly that we are 
stronger. I have received comfort from this board thoughout the 
year from the regulars, And at times I have laughed so hard that 
I cried. Each of you hold a place in my heart and I thank you. 
I'm always out here somewhere just holler....

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter, Missin', .44
Subject: Best wishes.
Date: Wed Sep 11 15:40:34 2002

Message:
Walter: An elephant never forgets?..Nelly the elephant I've 
heard of, but who the heck's Horton the elephant? Dammit 
Walter!, enough already, oy! Listen, you actually did something 
for the cause and raised money doing it. As I said to Spy all I 
did was chatter on here, you got up and actually did something. 
I didn't pay enough attention to what you were saying about your 
fund raising efforts way back. I'M sorry for raising the issue 
over again when I did. Besides I'm not an American, so I'm not 
entirely sure if it was my place to criticize anyway. Your 
character has shone through on many occasions since if I may say 
so, and your posts have always been witty and perceptive. Nuff 
said...

Missin': It's good to know people are moving on with their lives 
in their own way. I wasn't actually intending to make any 
replies today, thought I leave a simple message just out of 
respect. Haven't been here since April or so, I've been in semi 
retirement as far as posting to this board is concerned. So it's 
nice to catch up with a number of people on here. Hope of course 
that everything's well with you and yours. It sure sounds like 
you're keeping busy! I'll stick around very briefly to catch up 
with any replies, then probably drift back into semi-retirement 
once again.

.44: Hello to you sir, thanks for the compliment! Not sure I 
merit it..but hey...I'm not complaining! Nice to hear from 
you.     

From: U.K.Citizen
To: North Carolina Gal, Facts Finder, Merlyn ,Justice
Date: Wed Sep 11 17:58:08 2002

Message:
A brief hello and best wishes to those mentioned. Shall post 
back in a day or so.

From: Everyman
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Horton
Date: Wed Sep 11 18:33:04 2002

Message:
"Horton Hears a Who"
by Dr. Suess

'We are here!  We are here!  We are here!"

'A person's a person no matter how small.'

Best wishes to you & those who post w/out obscenity.

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Wed Sep 11 19:29:06 2002

Message:
On this of all days, I am more concerned the U.K. will be the 
next victum of the terrorists. Merlyn has mentioned this as 
well. From this side of the pond, it seems these radical Muslim 
clerics are given a tremendous amount of leeway at these rallies 
they hold including the tastlessly titled meeting "Sept. 11, 
2001: A Towering Day in History." I mean banners that 
read "Islam is the future of Britain" must send a chill up many 
Londoners backs. I know Scotland Yard claims they use these 
radical Islamic rallies to identify the radicals but does some 
of this seem to be getting out of hand over there?

OH YA! I hope all is well with you and yours and please, this is 
worldwide "be nice to kitties week"! I gave ours a freindly kick 
out of the way a minute ago!

 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: Clued in.
Date: Wed Sep 11 19:40:07 2002

Message:
I assume that's the Horton in question. Hello Everyman and 
thanks ONCE AGAIN for helping out! Those same sentiments go to 
you too of course. As I've stated I'll check back, in a day or 
so...catch up with what's new and what's not in the world. Good 
hearing from you sir. 

From: .44
To: all
Date: Wed Sep 11 19:49:49 2002

Message:
Please read the post from England above.  It captures 9-11 and 
the ensuing events, and honors our character in a profound way.  
It's written from the soul.                                   

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open mind/closed fist
Subject: Will check back..
Date: Wed Sep 11 19:59:08 2002

Message:
Sorry om/cf, had to laugh..just replied to Everyman, then you 
post. Good hearing from you, and I hope you and your family are 
well. Can I just say, I shall certainly reply to the best of my 
knowledge to your post and perhaps discuss one or two other 
matters related to terrorism etc. I'll speak to you soon 
om/cf.     

From: Spy
To: The Board
Subject: a year or so latter--
Date: Wed Sep 11 21:12:00 2002

Message:
To all those who have lost loved ones in this war declared 
on freedom--------May peace be in your hearts today though 
war has been thrusted apon us.
 May your belief in freedom and your freedom to search for 
your lord; your spirit or whatever you wish to call it----  be 
without  "others" shoving their dog{:@(ma down your throat, 
nor into the buildings of our great nation where our loved 
ones work..and play...or whorship...and live------IN 
FREEDOM WE LIVE !!!!

Ya-<GOT IT YOU STUPID GOAT ASS SUCKING, CAMEL 
FUCKING TERRORIST DOGS {:@( {:@( {:@( !!!!!!>




To my friends here at the 
http://www.afghan-government.com/ board :

Justice,
 I don't think we address each other that much before, but 
then again I always considered you "friendly fire" and was to 
busy "engaging the enemy" so ta speak.
Skiming the board I noticed your kind words towards me 
and others.Thanks !
I never before 9/11/01 (nor have after;{except for this board}) 
participated in this type of computer activity.
Thanks Justice :)

U.K.Citizen, and an Italian Guy,Radio Europe,Holland/Italy
 To friends who I hoped would drop in for this date.--- " 'Tis 
good to see you UKCitizen"

When I first came to this board, most britts and uks and 
some euros stood with us (though there were others who 
didn't).
I remember someone (I believed named Katherine) from 
Germany who seemed very sypathetic
to the U.S.A.
I also remember others from there ranting nazikillamerica 
go ossama themes.

But you sir(UK)---stuck with us pissed off, so called 
american rednecks.
You did it, as did Radio Europe and Holland/Italy and an 
Italian Guy.
Thanks

To Missin'(that's exausted---"right"?) Walter/om-cf/----and all 
the 
others-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------(oh what hell)-----------eagle eye/john e--/fact 
finders/justiceUSA(keep the coffee hot)/----oh-- by the way 
john e.--I owe you for cigarettes(Nov'01)---i think----Camels 
as I remember ??
 North Carolina Gal , Get a grip Merlyn,Walter, and all the 
rest---- 

From: Spy
To: John E
Subject: Your rap about "Pigs Blood"
Date: Wed Sep 11 21:23:31 2002

Message:
One of the best post in the last year award .

From: U.K.Citizen
To: u know who
Date: Wed Sep 11 20:26:40 2002

Message:
Could I possibly just say that simply "Hi UK Citizen" would have 
been quite sufficient. Anyway..hello to you too. Your self-
imposed ban on profanity at least for today is quite 
naturally..welcome.

U know you, I don't know for sure as to whether you've posted in 
a more serious manner under a different handle. Perhaps you 
could clarify that point for me, as I'm not exactly famed for my 
detective work on here. If, you've got a moral objection to the 
political slant of this board or have a view on things that 
related to 9/11 but perhaps was not listened to, again could you 
state as to whether that's the case or not.

From my point of view, a forum like this should be an 
opportunity for people to speak their minds. The criteria I use 
and continue to use here, are simply these.

1. I respect ANY individual's right to voice their opinion. That 
does not 'automatically' mean I agree with or respect their 
opinion, but simply and 'far more importantly' respect that they 
have the RIGHT to say it. That basic level of respect is 
therefore built in, in the way I conduct myself on this board. 

2. If you or I, or anybody were to object, to what a particular 
contributor to this board states, based on a moral objection, 
then simply stating WHY you object on moral grounds should be 
sufficient. People then know where a person stands on an issue.

3. Arguing to the point where it that becomes personal, well...I 
just don't see the point. Simply formally agreeing to disagree, 
is where ideally things should be left.

In the full knowledge of how you conducted yourself here thus 
far, I know other board members would be saying that I'm wasting 
my time. Perhaps so..but I'm obliged to try becuase I don't wish 
to make pre-judgements about anybody. You maybe homosexual, bi-
sexual or straight for all I know. It's not who or what a person 
is that matters to me, it's purely the validity of what they say 
as far as this board is concerned. Their view carries equal 
weight.

I've not taken you for an idiot, I'd appreciate if you'd show me 
that same courtesy (should you wish to reply of course), and 
reply in normal typing style that everybody here uses, not the u 
know who 'speak' you normally use. I'll endeaour to reply as 
earnestly and objectively as I can. The rest I leave up to you, 
I can't really do much more. As stated previously I'll post back 
in a day or two. 
     

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Wed Sep 11 21:00:55 2002

Message:
Horton, whose motto is "I meant what I said and I said what I
meant; an elephant's faithful, 100 percent", never abandons his 
post, despite the amazing (and amusing) difficulties this 
entails. ________________________________________________________

 The Horton bit was just a bit of sarcasm,who would have thought 
that I'd end posting here for this long? I was a childhood fan of 
Dr.Suess books,and Horton never really knew the reason for what 
he had to do,but he knew he had to do it.That's what it feels 
like here to me sometimes.
 Don't worry about raising the issue again,I know I painted a 
very confusing picture to the people who have been here a long 
time.The raising money part was not a well-planned-out 
undertaking,most of it was luck,and generosity of the people who 
bought the CD's of pictures(also were pictures of many countries 
around the world who showed their support for us,simply because I 
was so amazed by it) and film clips from 9-11,and the aftermath. 
 Take care,and all the best to you.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Subject: Greetings
Date: Wed Sep 11 22:05:36 2002

Message:
Verily, for tis good to hear thoust also. Tis been many days by 
and by, betwixt whence we last conversed, and today!..In other 
words, how'ya doin' Spy? Long time no see!, so to speak. It's 
good to hear everyone once again, to in some way share this 
poigniant day in cyberspace as an alternative to grim reality.

I just finish one post, then find myself replying to another 
one. I seem to have set myself up for this. I think I have 
rather a lot of typing to do in a day or two, methinks. Oooops. 
Kevlar Club back in session, for a little while anyway. Best to 
you and yours my friend.


From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter
Subject: Oh heck!..
Date: Wed Sep 11 22:40:35 2002

Message:
Thanks for the reply Walter! Listen, I'd like to reply in turn 
in greater detail now, only it's 4am. Ditto about us posting 
here a year later, but friends are friends dammit, cyberspace or 
otherwise. I better get some sleep, I think I'll need it......

From: habibi
To:
Subject: it's really sad
Date: Wed Sep 11 22:26:45 2002

Message:
I have to say that i found this site by accident and Allah only 
knows why. I'm spanish american soon to convert. My boyfriend is 
palestinian. He is the best thing that happend to me in my life. 
It hurts to see that everyone will judge them all for an army 
that did wrong. Not all of them are bad. My life has changed 
alot being with him. And its all for the better. I'm young and 
cant say i know much about life but i can say that with 9/11 
happening you see how many closed minded people there is. I bet 
no one looked at an arab and said "oh,i hate them" but now you 
hate them all. Yes it was wrong what happend but its also wrong 
to say that you hate these people when they have done nothing to 
you. My boyfriend is an american. He was born here. Oh but that 
still makes him bad,huh. He has showed me a different life and a 
different way of being. I have to say that if he left me 
tomorrow i would go out with another arab. i would never go back 
out with spanish,white american guy's again.

From: Spy
To: habibi
Date: Wed Sep 11 23:29:32 2002

Message:
allow me to repeat something to you---"just in case you 
misunderstood---"

"---Ya-<GOT IT YOU STUPID GOAT ASS SUCKING, CAMEL 
FUCKING TERRORIST DOGS {:@( {:@( {:@( !!!!!!>"

----if you see the word "arab" in the above sentence; it's not 
my fault !!!

From: om/cf
To: habibi
Subject: My version of Dear Abby
Date: Wed Sep 11 23:17:01 2002

Message:
It seems you are doing exactly the same "lumping together" as 
you are argueing against, huh? He must be a real whinner to 
dumping all these excuses upon you. "I can't get a job because I 
look middle-eastern. WAAA! I can't take out the trash, what if 
the neighbors see me. WAAA!" Give the excuses a rest sister. 
Where I live in America no such discrimination is taking place. 
Dump the bum and hook up with an upstanding American citizen 
regardless of ethnicity!

From: Glad to be rid
To: Habibi
Subject: Spanish girls are fucken pigs anyway
Date: Thu Sep 12 02:47:28 2002

Message:
You must love stinky sand-nigger cock-cheese. Arabs are the 
ugliest fuckers to ever walk the earth you're a fucking she-
devil.

From: Get a grip
To: habibi
Subject: your disgusting Bigotry
Date: Thu Sep 12 08:20:35 2002

Message:
You are a Bigot! and further more, you are converting to a 
belief system that will never work for you. It's kind of like a 
Jewish girl learning to hip hop. You will look feel and be 
stupid all you want but no one will take you seriously. As for 
being repelled by your own kind, go figure. Becoming a mindless 
moron won't help. I really can't blame you for not liking a lazy 
worthless spanish (mexican) street corner boy. But becoming a 
Bigot and even worse a Muslim Bigot, won't make you any better 
than the trash you just dumped!

From: Missin'
To: ALL
Subject: Why? & Bigotry
Date: Thu Sep 12 10:32:17 2002

Message:
I thought the issue of "Why" was settled a long time ago.  The 
problem is, I think, that we all want a RATIONAL REASON.  The 
problem is, there isn't any.  There was nothing that these 
terrorists wanted from us.  They only wanted to terrorize 
us...to punish us for being what we are, which is not what they 
are.  Envy? Greed? Pure Evil.

Habibi, if you think ALL of us hate every Muslim just because of 
a terrorist group who attempted to use "Allah" as the reason for 
their destruction and evil ways, you are very young and very 
naive.  Yes, there are some bigots on this board.  Maybe we are 
ALL (even you) guilty of bigotry at some time in our lives in 
some form or fashion.  None of us are perfect, but I believe 
that MOST of us try to be the best we can be, and I believe that 
most of us understand that bigotry is wrong.  There IS no black 
& white in this life...only shades of gray.  Relax.

I'm retreating back to my farming life now.  Thank God there 
were no more attacks yesterday, and Thanks to all of you for 
being healing forces for me through the past year.  Be well, all 
of you.

From: Merlyn
To: Missin'
Date: Thu Sep 12 11:39:26 2002

Message:
The runes never lie. But I also thank the Gods that be and hope 
we can find a way to pluck Saddam from his sand pit without a 
war. I know we can do it. We just have to tell George to chill 
and let our Seals and Marines do their job. They are simply the 
best in the world and I have every confidence we will do it 
right. 

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Southern comfort
Date: Thu Sep 12 12:57:26 2002

Message:
You know you're from the South when.....
1. The Halloween pumpkin on your porch has more teeth than your 
wife.
2. You let your 12-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner 
table.............
in front of her kids.
3. You've been married three times and still have the same in 
laws.
4. You think a woman who is "out of your league" bowls on a 
different night.
5. Jack Daniel's makes your list of "most admired people."
6. You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean.
7. Anyone in your family ever died right after saying "Hey watch 
this."
8. You think Dom Perignon is a Mafia leader.
9. Your wife's hairdo was once ruined by a ceiling fan.
10. Your junior prom had a daycare.
11. You think the last words of the Star Spangled Banner 
are "Gentlemen,
start
your engines."
12. You lit a match in the bathroom and your house 
exploded ...........
right
off its wheels.
13. The bluebook value of your truck goes up and down depending 
on how much 
gas is in it.
14. You have to go outside to get something from the fridge.
15. One of your kids was born on a pool table.
16. You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie 
at the 
House of Tattoos.
17. You can't get married to your sweetheart because there's a 
law against
it.
18. You think loading a dishwasher means getting your wife drunk.
19. Your toilet paper has page numbers on it.
20. Your front porch collapses and kills more than five dogs.

From: an italian guy
To: get a grip
Subject: WHY
Date: Thu Sep 12 13:06:43 2002

Message:
I meant WHY that happened, not WHY do we post here.

From: Get a grip
To: an Italian guy
Subject: why
Date: Thu Sep 12 14:55:31 2002

Message:
I see, Well unlike most other things, that these religious 
freaks do, this one was really just spite. They half assed it, 
thought that they would get a response they didn't get. It is 
all very typical behavior of a strung out drug addict. Deluded 
and mind set on paranoia, they seemed to think the world would 
think like them. Looking at the shoe bomber, it doesn't take 
much to see he was ripped on heroin and had been for a long 
time. Many of them have that burn out stare, just look at the 
pictures. 
  

From: om/cf
To: an italian guy
Date: Thu Sep 12 15:53:59 2002

Message:
Because Islam is a religion of peace?

(sarcasim)

From: Crazy Canuck
To: U.S.A
Date: Thu Sep 12 16:05:09 2002

Message:
I didn,t get a chance to come on here yesterday.
My condolences to all Americans.
I attended a memorial at Ottawa city hall.
Even though I did not lose a friend or family member in the 
attacks.
At the ceremony I found myself feeling much grief that must have 
been locked up inside.
I don,t think the grief was just for the people who died on 9/11 
only.
The loss of my sense of security and peace are what overwhelm me.
We must take steps to make sure that the world is a peaceful 
place for future generations.
 The footage of the planes hitting the world trade center.
Had the same impact on me as it did a year ago.
I don,t think anyone could ever be desensitized to such a 
terrible site.

God bless America & Canada I stand on guard for thee 

From: John Ashcroft
To:
Date: Thu Sep 12 19:37:02 2002

Message:
Sept. 11th, 2002

WHAT A LETDOWN.  

From: DR. X
To:
Date: Thu Sep 12 19:39:08 2002

Message:
I'VE INVENTED A CAR THAT IS CAPABLE OF RUNNING ON HUMAN FARTS 
ALONE!!!! NOW, NO MORE DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL!!! THIS WILL 
CHANGE THE WORLD AND BRING PEACE TO OUR NATION.  BUT THERE ARE 
OMINOUS FORCES AT WORK WHO ARE TRYING TO STOP ME FROM INFORMING 
THE PUBLIC.  I'M AFRAID TO GO OUTSIDE TO THE LABORATORY.  MY 
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ARE ALL TAMPERED WITH.  I'VE ELECTRONICALLY 
SWEPT MY RESIDENCE AND FOUND SEVERAL ''BUGS'' WHICH HAVE BEEN 
PLACED IN MY HOME WHILE I WAS AWAY AT WORK.  IF YOU COME ACROSS 
MY MESSAGE, PLEASE VISIT WWW.FARTPOWER.COM TO SEE MY LATEST 
INVENTION, WHICH WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE WAY WE TRAVEL AND HELP 
US GAIN OUR FREEDOM FROM TERRORISM.


From: habibi
To:
Subject: sorry you feel like that
Date: Thu Sep 12 20:02:36 2002

Message:
First i dont feel like i am a bigot.I have never took up a 
religion at all.I have read the Qu'ron and i see things in there 
a great deal the way i see things.Im young but not that young.I 
do know what i do and why I do it.No they will not look at me 
different or even not respect me.If anything they teach me and 
are very happy for me.And to the "glad to be rid" your 
a "shaton" go figure that one out.You know it doesnt have 
anything to do with where im from to want to be muslim.Look at 
those white girls who convert and stay that way for the rest of 
there lives,huh?So its really bull to say that the belief system 
would never work for me.You have no idea.

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Thu Sep 12 21:02:04 2002

Message:
09/12/2002 : "President sends in war command" 

President sends in war command Military action against 
Saddam Hussein came dramatically closer today with 
significant movements by American and British armed 
forces. 

As President Bush prepared to address the UN today, he 
set up a war command in the Gulf. American General 
Tommy Franks is leading a 600-strong contingent of senior 
staff from US Central Command Headquarters in Tampa, 
Florida, to Qatar, from where he is expected to command 
operations against Iraq. 

The British 7th and 4th Armoured Brigades and the HQ of 
the Ist UK Armoured Division - all based in Germany - are 
set to begin operations in the desert within two weeks. 

In a further significant move, key reservists in the British 
armed services have been told to expect to be mobilised at 
the end of the month for possible operations in the Gulf and 
Iraq. 

The specialists, including medics and signallers, have 
been warned to expect their mobilisation papers in two to 
three weeks. 

The moves came as President Bush was set to warn the 
UN they must act against Saddam, while Tony Blair was 
meeting Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith and the Liberal 
Democrats' Charles Kennedy to seek their support for 
military strikes before an emergency recall of Parliament. 

Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon told the BBC's Today 
programme that Iraq must be given "a clear ultimatum with 
a sting in its tail" for complying with United Nations 
demands on weapons inspections. 

President Bush, who has already been presented with the 
"plan for Iraq" by General Franks, will warn the UN that it 
must take action to enforce its resolutions on Iraq or "risk 
irrelevance". 

Mr Bush warned in his 11 September anniversary address 
in New York: "We are joined by a great coalition of nations to 
rid the world of terror. And we will not allow any terrorist or 
tyrant to threaten civilisation with weapons of mass 
destruction." 

He added: "This nation has defeated tyrants, liberated death 
camps and raised this lamp of liberty to every captive land. 
We have no intention of ignoring or appeasing history's 
latest gang of fanatics trying to murder their way to power. 

"Now and in the future, Americans will live as free people, 
not in fear, and never at the mercy of any foreign plot or 
power." 

In London, a draft timetable drawn up by No10 would see 
the Cabinet meeting on Monday week, 23 September, to 
discuss Iraq. The following day, the Government would 
publish its long-awaited dossier spelling out the threat 
posed by Saddam. 

Mr Blair would unveil the document with a statement to the 
Commons, launching one or two days of debate. 

Meanwhile, substantial British forces are now expected to 
be ready for operations in the Gulf by the end of November, 
according to military sources here. 

By then the Army could have a small division in Kuwait and 
adjoining areas ready for action, which could begin in late 
November or early December. The 7th and 4th and the Ist 
UK Armoured were the main British ground units in 
Operation Desert Storm in 1991. 

Heavy British and American air attacks on ground defences 
in Iraq are now being seen as an opening shot in the 
campaign to force Saddam to give up his weapons of mass 
destruction, or face the consequences. 

Ostensibly this week's raid on a large airbase 250 miles 
south-west of Baghdad was to knock out ground-to-air 
missiles and radar threatening British and American aircraft 
policing the no-fly zone in the skies of southern Iraq. 

But according to Major Charles Heyman, senior analyst at 
the Janes Defence Group: "It was much bigger than 
anything we have seen recently and it seemed aimed at 
taking out the command and control for the air defences for 
most of western and north-western Iraq." 

Further air attacks will attempt to "blind" Iraq's early-warning 
radars in the area from which Scud missile attacks were 
launched on Israel in the Gulf war of 1991. 

With radars destroyed, it would be easier to land teams of 
special forces, from the SAS and US Delta Force, to hunt 
down mobile Scud launchers. 

Equally significant were the attacks by US Navy planes from 
Gulf-based carriers to knock out Iraq's Chinese-made 
Silkworm surface-to-surface missiles in silos round the 
southern port of Basra. 

It is thought that Basra is likely to be the first objective in a 
serious allied ground campaign to curb or oust Saddam. 
Troops landed from helicopters and landing craft would 
seize the two airfields and the port as the main supply base 
for any allied push on Baghdad. 

It is now expected that the 1st UK Armoured Division, 
equipped with the latest Challenger2 tanks, would move 
from Kuwait as a leading element of the land operation. At 
the same time, Royal Marines would join up to 20,000 US 
marines now expected in the area by mid-November in an 
amphibious operation. 

The plan strongly resembles that used to oust Saddam's 
forces from Kuwait in February and March 1991. If anything, 
British forces will have an even more prominent role this 
time and more than 30,000 men and women from all three 
services are likely to be involved. 

The armoured thrust by tanks and heavy artillery will be 
matched by a force of assault troops being dropped by 
helicopter or Hercules transport aircraft. 

This might be commanded by another scratch divisional 
headquarters of Royal Marines and Airborne Forces from 3 
Commando Brigade and 16 Air Assault Brigade. They are 
likely to be joined by at least two light infantry battalions. 

Commanders have been particularly impressed by the 
recent performance of the 1st Battalion the Royal Anglian 
Regiment in Kabul this year, and currently the 1st Battalion 
the Princess of Wales Royal Regiment in Kosovo. 

The move on Basra would be the first phase of a "bite and 
hold" campaign in Iraq, which some military planners now 
believe could last throughout most of next year. But British 
and American commanders believe they have the forces, 
skills and will to take Baghdad itself if necessary. 


Source:thisislondon.com 

=========================


From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 12 21:12:06 2002

Message:
www.guerrillanewsnetwork.com

From: om/cf
To: theE.S.D.
Subject: the news
Date: Thu Sep 12 21:15:30 2002

Message:
Nice article! For the past month the airstrikes in Iraq have 
seemed to have a definate purpose. The wipeout of the Chinese 
missle center was the clincher. The path is being cleared. I 
just lost it, laughing uncontrollably last night at Bill Clinton 
on the David Letterman show. He basically agreed with every step 
Bush has taken regarding Iraq. Clinton stated it will take a 
week to completly control Iraq! Letterman was so shocked at the 
time frame he asked him to repeat it!


From: om/cf
To: Dr. X (fart car)
Date: Thu Sep 12 22:27:15 2002

Message:
LOL!! Butt be fore-warned, when you go into production the 
E.P.A. will rip you a new well! In the meantime I'll shift my 
non-existant stock portfolio into anything related to beans.

From: theE.S.D.
To: om/cf
Date: Thu Sep 12 22:28:23 2002

Message:
we have recently heard that during the Gulf War,Chinese 
missle techs were killed trying to repair missle sites that 
allied forces had either destroyed or damaged during 
previous strikes.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: Afghanistan
Date: Thu Sep 12 21:31:46 2002

Message:
It's been a while since we've spoken at some length so it's nice 
to know you're still around. I do recall the positive vibe your 
words brought to the board and I took onboard their thoughtful 
message. In essence, learning to truly appreciate the things we 
all take for granted, that don't have monetary value but are 
nevertheless priceless. You gave eloquent insight into the 
personal events that broadened your perspective on life. Events 
like that, tend to do just that, one imagines.  

Don't know about you but, I still have real concerns about 
Afghanistan itself. I know the U.S troops were hoping to have 
been long gone from there before now, with Turkish troops now 
having taken over from the British in patrolling Kabul. The 
Taliban and al-Qaeda (not to mention the warlords) are still in 
my reckoning a formidable threat to the country itself and it's 
hopes for gaining a democratic future. All the supposedly good 
and the great at the U.N. didn't follow through on their 
pledges. I remember every leader worth his salt wanted to be 
seen with the U.S. President at the Whitehouse (photo op's and 
all) waiting to write a blank cheque for America politically and 
Afghanistan monetarily, in the weeks following the attack. I 
hoped for the best, but sure enough most drifted away when most 
needed. Kofi Annan to his credit, raised the issue again at that 
crucial U.N. meeting today. Before 9/11 I have to admit, I 
didn't know just precisely where Afghanistan was! The more I 
read of it's history and the downward spiral it's been on in the 
last 30 years especially, the more I realised just how pivotal 
that country is in the scheme of things. If enough resources 
could just be invested by the world community, that could go a 
long way to ultimately undermining the Opium supply problem in 
the medium to long term, in the West and elsewhere. Less 
drugs..less crime kind of thing. Not to mention giving a two-
fingered salute (a Churchillian salute in reverse) to any 
doubters who'd cried foul that the U.S and Britain are being 
imperialistic. I realise it's naive idealism, as most of what I 
ramble on about usually is, but I feel it's something that the 
coalition forces that went into Afghanistan (admittedly to 
achieve a means to an end, rather than it being an end in 
itself) would be something to be truly proud of. One can easily 
imagine another group of fanatics setting up there in ten years 
time, only far better prepared for any invasion from the 
outside. Not a pleasant prospect. Mr.Karzai truly has his work 
cut out. I know you'd join me in wishing him the best of 
luck.       

From: om/cf
To: theE.S.D.
Date: Thu Sep 12 23:10:23 2002

Message:
Im trying to decide if a "OH WELL" or a "LOL!" is in order. I 
remember reading something on that recent attack saying the 
Chinese missle site that was taken out was recently built, but 
that didn't make sense. Probably more likely, repairs to 
existing assets, as you say.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf
Subject: Clerics
Date: Thu Sep 12 23:22:40 2002

Message:
Apologies, don't have much time to post at present. Just a quick 
thought on what you mentioned. Those fanatical clerics. What 
they say does piss me off, but I think they're more of a 
nuisance and a joke, than anything else. Didn't seem to be too 
many there at their rally in central London the other week. They 
know they're being watched by the security services. In the U.K. 
at present it's fairly low key. Mostly monitoring movements of 
those with extreme views.

I can't check the runes as Merlyn's done (Hi Merlyn!) but at 
this stage my gut feeling is that al-Qaeda is trying to isolate 
the U.S. by attacking it's interests home and abroad. Any attack 
on Britain I think tactically, would from their point of view be 
a mistake. That would only serve to further unify public opinion 
on both sides of the Atlantic fairly rapidly. As I say, at least 
for now I'd guess American facilities abroad are under greater 
threat than us in the U.K at this present time.

Shall get back to you on Iraq when I get the chance. Till then..

Btw, still no luck on the lottery a take it. I saw on the news 
some lottery machine in the U.S. came up with the numbers 
9..1..1, yesterday. Just how spoooky is that!.... 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Fri Sep 13 00:31:19 2002

Message:
A Ripleys believe it or not...911 in the New York lottery!

P.S.: The thought of an al-Queda driven wedge between the U.K. 
and America has not escaped me. Hold down the fort. A maybe 
funny note: People at work are extremly concerned over the 
appearance of U.S. soldiers in pics from Afghanistan. "I thought 
they were supposed to better groomed and at least shave their 
beards" this lady I work with says. LOL!!! When in Rome.....

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 13 05:36:43 2002

Message:
We (Shell) not (Exxon)erate Saddam Hussein for his actions. We 
will (Mobil)ize to meet this threat to vital interests in the 
Persian (Gulf) until an (AMOCO)ble solution is reached. Our best 
strategy is to (BP)repared. Failing that, we (ARCO)ming to kick 
your ass.

From:
To:
Date: Fri Oct 19 23:57:42 2001

Message:
The 11th of september, a date connected with a lot of tragic 
history. 1982, 1700 palestinians were slaughtered in Beirut , 
1973, Chile thousands of people were killed when Allendes 
government was destroyed. 2001 The US, a black terrible day that 
never will be forgotten.
Has anyone asked themselves WHY any country or people could hate 
the americans so much?....
Are people more coldhearted, cruel or mad in other parts of the 
world? Is it because of religion..... Really??

From: Merlyn
To: U.K .Citizen
Subject: 20 year war
Date: Fri Sep 13 08:11:49 2002

Message:
Hello U.K.Citizen,
  It has been a while and indeed we are seeing the east unfold 
in a way foretold and tragic. Perhaps in the end of Saddam's 
reign we will see an and to the 20 year war. I really feel that 
we will use a sledgehammer to kill a fly, but my insight tells 
me that indeed Saddam is seeing the end of his road. Faced by 
odds beyond his worst expectations, he may well just disappear. 
He has caused his own country to despise him and the only people 
who would support him would just as soon kill him and take his 
place. 
  The U.K. is having to deal with the fall out of such liberal 
thinking as to let these extremists teach their deadly dogma in 
the west and on the soil that your countrymen fought and died to 
protect. There are new limits being set and if the "good muslim" 
can't get over the fact that there is prejudice against him, 
perhaps he needs to stand up to his Mullah and face this dark 
side of his religion down. 
  Good day to you and best to your countrymen as we face down 
Saddam, we have dealt with worse. 
           Merlyn

From: Get a grip
To: Habibi
Subject: Want
Date: Fri Sep 13 08:29:15 2002

Message:
[You know it doesn t have 
anything to do with where i'm from to want to be muslim.]
Is Habibi your "chosen Muslim name"? I am going to take a guess 
here, were you Catholic before? If so it explains a great deal. 
I can tell you "I do understand" much more than you could ever 
know. I will ask you here, before we go on, have you studied 
what your ancestry believed in before the coming of Christ? Do 
you realize that the Christian crusades destroyed and replaced 
your past with their Dogma? You have found wisdom in the Qu'ran, 
perhaps. But have you looked anywhere else? Sure your new 
boyfriend has you convinced. Have you considered that to him you 
are only one of many wives he will have? Do you want to live a 
life of submission and servitude? Let me at least help you 
understand the spiritual implications of what you are feeling. 
In Judaism and Christian religion there is little to do for your 
self beyond the written Dogma. In the Muslim Qu'ran is a 
learning system by experience that opens the gates from within. 
But they are in the wrong order. They are in the order of 
submission and servitude. Charkas, are very important and 
incorrectly controlled by a religion they can become tools to 
enslave an entire race of people. This book was written by a man 
who had several wives and one of which was a young girl of the 
tender age of fourteen. As I said, I don't blame you for turning 
from the mexican street corner boys. But you are from a race of 
fine, strong willed and wonderful people. And I caution you 
here. You will not be happy in servitude, no matter what your 
Muslim boy calls it.

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Management
Date: Fri Sep 13 08:58:26 2002

Message:
QUICK MANAGEMENT COURSE"

 
 Lesson One
A crow was sitting on a tree, doing nothing all day. A small 
rabbit saw  the
crow & asked him, "Can I also sit like you & do nothing all day 
long?"
The crow answered: "Sure, why not." So, the rabbit sat on the 
ground  below
the crow, and rested. All of a sudden, a fox appeared, jumped on 
the rabbit
and ate it.

 Management Lesson?
 To be sitting and doing nothing, you must be sitting very, very 
high up.


 Lesson Two
A turkey was chatting with a bull. "I would love to be able to 
get to the
top of that tree," sighed the turkey, "but I haven't got the 
energy."
"Well, why don't you nibble on some of my droppings?" replied 
the bull.
"They're packed with nutrients." The turkey pecked at a lump of 
dung, found
it actually gave him enough strength to reach the lowest branch 
of the tree.
The next day, after eating some more dung, he reached the second 
branch.
Finally after a fourth night, he was proudly perched at the top 
of the tree.
Soon he was promptly spotted by a farmer, who shot the turkey 
out of the
tree.

 Management Lesson?
Bull Sh-t might get you to the top, but it won't keep you there.


 Lesson Three
A little bird was flying south for the winter. It was so cold 
the bird froze
and fell to the ground in a large field. While it was lying 
there, a cow
came by and dropped some dung on it. As the frozen bird lay 
there in the
pile of cow dung, it began to realize how warm it was.  The dung 
was
actually thawing him out! He lay there all warm and happy, and 
soon began to
sing for joy. A passing cat heard the bird singing and came to 
investigate.
Following the sound, the cat discovered the bird under the pile 
of cow dung,
and promptly dug him out and ate him.

 Management Lesson?
 1) Not everyone who sh-ts on you is your enemy.
 2) Not everyone who gets you out of sh-t is your friend.
 3) And when you're in deep sh-t, it's best to keep your mouth 
shut!

From: om/cf
To: ?
Date: Fri Sep 13 08:16:26 2002

Message:
Religion is used to control and manipulate people, and should 
never be the foundation of any govermental body. Its plainly 
obvious Islam is being used for many evil purposes around the 
world. The mass media is used to control people as well but we 
have the freedom to turn it off and have the luxury of a wider 
variety of information scources. They hate the U.S. because they 
are told and taught to by their religious leaders. After all, 
the religious leaders know whats best. Ask any former Catholic 
that was molested as a child by a priest how religion is used to 
manipulate.

No, on a basic level, people the world over are not born more 
coldhearted or cruel than those born in the west. Its the 
teaching that comes after birth that is in question.

From: a sad american child
To: walter
Date: Mon Nov 26 18:36:33 2001

Message:

From: a sad american child
To: walter
Subject: peace
Date: Mon Nov 26 18:36:33 2001

Message:
i have been reading many disturbing texts on this website,
and i think everyone here should do a little less talking and 
remember that we are all human. You seem to have very little 
value for others' lives (with the exception of your own) maybe 
you should go for a walk, or watch a sunrise, and remember there 
is more to life than ignorant hate. You have shown a great deal 
of that with your posts. I have never had a problem with anyone 
of a different race or religion, if you didn't know, it's 
called "tolerance", maybe more of us should try it. So walter, 
go, live your life, be happy. Just give the rest of us a chance 
to act the same. 

From: a sad american teen
To: walter
Subject: peace
Date: Mon Nov 26 18:36:33 2001

Message:
I have been reading many disturbing texts on this website,
and i think everyone here should do a little less talking and go 
live their lives. I regret to inform you, there is more to life 
than the internet. Walter, you seem to have very little value 
for human lives (with the exception of your own) maybe 
you should go for a walk, watch a sunrise, smile at a baby; just 
remember there is more to life than ignorant hate. You have 
shown a great deal of that with your posts. I have never had a 
problem with anyone of a different race or religion, if you 
didn't know, it's called "tolerance", maybe more of us should 
try it. So walter, go, live your life, be happy. Just leave 
others alone and allow them a chance to do the same. 

From: Justice
To: a sad american child
Date: Fri Sep 13 09:31:35 2002

Message:
Are you reading any of the posts or just browsing through them 
and picking the ones that you want to read and validate your 
views?  If you actually read all of them you will see that we do 
care for human life and the many simple pleasures that are held 
within in it.  Get a clue before you post something.  Your post 
alone shows your ignorance.

From: Get a grip
To: Justice
Subject: Walter and the sad teen
Date: Fri Sep 13 09:51:28 2002

Message:
Perhpase she knows more about Walter than we do LOL! Could 
Walter be the infamous u know who? only the webmaster knows for 
sure......................

From: awm
To: sister habibi
Subject: your life
Date: Fri Sep 13 10:56:48 2002

Message:
Habibi your name is GOD given its a name of love please sister 
go where your heart tells you .after reading what  SPY said to 
you he is nuts dumb and knows not in other words he is full of 
hate and shit and unamercian. what is america made of is people 
from all over the world,dear Habibi go where your heart tells 
you to i am sure that he is a good man and lucky to have you my 
GOD be with you always

From: Los Lobos
To: All My Fucks
Subject: OK now back to flame wars
Date: Fri Sep 13 12:17:51 2002

Message:
All of us behaved ourselves for 9-11 and now we want to go back 
to slinging the shit.  FUCK YOU GERBIL MASTER you punk bitch, 
you didnt even bother posting for 9-11 you fucken crackhead and 
where the fuck is Board Goat?  Come back you cocksuckers now.  I 
was reading the stuff and it is good and U Know Who, Polliwog, R 
U MY CUNT?  and myself did behave.  All my friends were good out 
of respect.  But now, it is BACK TO RIPPING.  Who wants to take 
the first shot?   EAT OUT MY ASSHOLE TODAY FUCKERS!!!

From: maddog
To: islamic jihads
Subject: terrorism
Date: Fri Sep 13 11:27:38 2002

Message:
If you look back in history, or a map in the old testament. Most 
anywhere, there "WAS NOT"a place on any map called palestine. 
Fact that same land way back when, was called Judea, but that no 
longer exists now. Judea, the land where Jewish people came 
from, i believe. Tell me why Isriel should not have the "right 
to exist?" It was there land to begin with. My defenition of 
jihads: little hittlers, cowards,the little warriors of the anti-
christ, or what i call cowards, warriors is an understatement. 
Your not that worthy. The real warriors are the Solders, who 
risk there lives hunting down you cave hidding cowards,And the 
people who risked there lives to save others on 9/11/01. God 
Bless the people who lost there lives and there familys and 
friends on 9/11/01 and the soldiers who have to hunt down you 
cowards. 
 

From:
To: Los Lobotomy
Date: Fri Sep 13 12:47:03 2002

Message:
Shut the fuck up

From: ChristanMan
To: all
Subject: Civilian killing afghanistan
Date: Fri Sep 13 12:42:29 2002

Message:
I was listening to a BBC news reportage yesterday.They say that 
8000 taliban soldier who gave them self to american troups were 
starve to death by american and northern alliance. Among that 
8000 were many innoscent who were force to fight with the 
taliaban.Overhall more than 20 thousand soldier and civilian 
afghan were kill my american to revancge 1800 american.I think 
that only god will be able to juge that.Revange innoscent blood 
by killing even more innoscent blood is sensless.

From: ChristianMan
To: all
Date: Fri Sep 13 12:55:06 2002

Message:
I was listening to a BBC news reportage yesterday.They say that 
8000 taliban soldier who gave them self to american troups were 
starve to death by american and northern alliance. Among that 
8000 were many innoscent who were force to fight with the 
taliaban.Overhall more than 20 thousand soldier and civilian 
afghan were kill my american to revancge 1800 american.I think 
that only god will be able to juge that.Revange innoscent blood 
by killing even more innoscent blood is sensless

From: Maddog
To: chistanman
Subject: moron
Date: Fri Sep 13 12:56:05 2002

Message:
Learn how to spell for one thing, and you sound like you don't 
have a clue or a brain. War is war, and if their fighting with 
the enemy, than thats their own fault. I mean if they had taken 
me from my home to fight their war, and hand me a loaded rifle, 
and ammo. That would be their mistake i'll tell you that 
much.They had a choice regardless. 

From: bystander
To: ChristianMan
Date: Fri Sep 13 13:11:28 2002

Message:
The only thing senseless is your spelling.  Will god judge that 
too?  Fuck the taliban.

From: Maddog
To: bystander
Date: Fri Sep 13 13:18:32 2002

Message:
Amen my friend.FUCK THE TALIBAN.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Merlyn
Subject: More Info
Date: Fri Sep 13 12:46:28 2002

Message:
I listened to Koffi Annan's and President Bush's speeches at the 
U.N. meeting, and in my view both had merits in what they said. 
Like many others I'm still undecided as to what the most 
appropriate action is to take against Saddam Hussein. The London 
based International Institute of Strategic Studies issued a 
report last week stating officially what the state of play was 
in regards to the weapons he has at his disposal at this point 
in time. Most of it I think was fairly common knowledge anyway. 
Everything except nukes. Everyone's waiting for this U.S. 
intelligence dossier to be made public. In trying to persuade 
the world's public to back military action, any vital 
information contained therein unfortunately immediately 
compromises the sources that obtained that information. It also 
let's Saddam Hussein know just how much outside agencies know or 
do not know about his regime's activities. A double-edged sword. 
But I'd still like to know what's in that dossier.

Belated birthday greetings btw! Can I just say Merlyn that in no 
way do I think that Walter is U know who. That much...I think I 
do know. I do still laugh at the get a grip humour, it doesn't 
go unappreciated.    

From: Los Lobos
To: all
Date: Fri Sep 13 13:42:45 2002

Message:
I just recently received my green card so I can now stay in this 
wondrous American country and wash dishes for the local hotel.  
Oh what a great country it is when I can go from a toilet 
scrubber in my native Mexican country to a dish washer.  Only in 
America!

From: Get a grip
To: Chrisian Man
Date: Fri Sep 13 13:52:45 2002

Message:
I just heard that moon men landed in Afghanistan! They saw the 
likes of them and fled for their lives! I think we are safe from 
alien invasion now. 
  See... I can say anything and it is as factual as your stupid 
bull shit! Get a grip and get a life! Oh yes and reveal the 
difference beteween all this and the holy crusades in the name 
of Christ and converting people to Christian faith or killing 
them to save their souls. Mmmmmmm?? So please stuff the Holy 
shit and sit back and watch real men do their job to protect 
your Minority religion and it's rights!
          A fuckin'men!

From:
To: Christian man
Date: Fri Sep 13 14:00:14 2002

Message:
There see..... we can spell as well as you

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 13 14:01:10 2002

Message:
Religion sucks!

From: Walter
To: Get a grip/Merlyn/countless others
Date: Fri Sep 13 15:34:42 2002

Message:
Kinda figured I was being suspected of that,but,it would be 
logical for someone who has posted under so very many names to 
suspect someone else of doing the same thing.

From: Walter
To: a stupid American teen
Date: Fri Sep 13 15:40:07 2002

Message:
Thank you so much for your audition for"Touched By An 
Angel".
 We'll get back to you.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Merlyn, Walter
Date: Fri Sep 13 15:43:52 2002

Message:
K-Mart opened it's very first store over here last month.

Kidding.

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Fri Sep 13 15:59:54 2002

Message:
My God!Don't let those bastards in your country!
Nearly all their employees remind me of cast-offs from the 
movie"Village Of The Damned"!LOL!!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf
Subject: Ripley's believe it or not..
Date: Fri Sep 13 15:53:30 2002

Message:
Never forgave Jack Pallance for killing Peter Strauss in Rich 
man/Poor man.

That last statement has absolutely no relevence here whatsover, 
but I just felt I had to say it.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter
Date: Fri Sep 13 16:05:00 2002

Message:
Thanks for the heads up on that. Phew...close one! I know the 
type, never too busy to help, except when their filing their 
nails. 

From: Get a grip
To: Walter
Subject: who is u know who
Date: Fri Sep 13 16:33:41 2002

Message:
Dr. who is u know who u know. u know u know who is u just don't 
know who u know who knows. If u don't know who u know who is 
then u know who knows what u don't know. If u know who wants u 
to know u know who will let u know what u know who knows. 
         Dont u know?

From: Justice
To: Get a Grip
Date: Fri Sep 13 17:40:29 2002

Message:
Who's on first?

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open mind/closed fist , Mystery wordsmith
Subject: Iraq..again
Date: Fri Sep 13 16:24:28 2002

Message:
Om/cf:

Nobody here was going to catch me criticizing the character and 
suitability of George W.Bush as a U.S. president in the 
immediate wake of the attacks last September. I'm not a fool. I 
didn't then, and I'm not going to criticize now. On balance, in 
the circumstance I don't think anybody in his position could 
have done any better. Okay, so he's not got the oratory skills 
of Bill Clinton, but he gets his message across well enough. I'd 
describe his presidency as being 'workman-like'. Not bad, not 
great, but just right for the circumstances. I remember those in 
the U.S. were baffled some years ago and asked "Maggie 
Thatcher!..oh yeah strong leader, say why'd you guys throw her 
out of office?" In a nutshell, one reason was that, this was the 
person that was once quoted as saying "there's no such thing as 
society". From that read, 'social conscience not required'. It's 
all a matter of perspective.

So, from my perspective, such as it is, Mr.Bush put his case 
well at the U.N. Though many at the gathering may not have 
agreed with his arguments, along with those who didn't agree 
with your President...simply because he's an American, they can  
(and they know it) no longer avoid the fact the U.N. as a multi-
lateral institution is fact becoming an irelevance.

I remember watching a B.B.C. correspondant's travels in Iraq 
filmed not long ago. Attempting to investigate first hand just 
what the reality was in Iraq. What he saw, at least in the areas 
that he visited were market stalls overflowing with foodstuffs. 
No mass hunger apparently, again, at least not at first glance. 
What become clear was that the U.N. and their representatives in 
Iraq had in fact conceded authority over to Saddam Hussein over 
control of U.N. funds in regards to the purchase of food and 
medicines. Assuming nothing's changed since, he apparently has 
full control over how any food or medicine (and it's a fair 
amount) given by the U.N. in good faith, is distributed. The 
upshot is, Kurdish doctors are left to get by with cancer 
treatment drugs that can barely fill one standard kitchen 
refridgerator. The contents of that ONE refridgerator have to 
cater for approximately....1.5 Million Kurds. I also recall 
seeing a young Kurdish toddler being carried by her mother. A 
scruffy haired little cherub, maybe two or three years old. Her 
liitle head flopped onto her mother's shoulder out of weakness, 
quietly sobbing. She was obviously extremely ill..and you got 
the uneasy feeling she wouldn't make it. Her mother looked at 
the camera for a moment and just burst into tears and held her 
tight. I don't mind telling you now om/cf that fucking cut me 
up. Boy..did it.

If we, that is Britain, U.S., France, Canada...whoever, decide 
for certain to go in take Saddam Hussein out, I want it done for 
the right reasons. I'm not a warmonger. If at all possible I'd 
want the military build up which Hussein knows is happening in 
earnest now, to back up any U.N. resolution(s) which is/are 
eventually finalised in the weeks ahead. I hope a madman sees 
sense. What a contridiction. But, if he doesn't then I guess 
it's time to take him out and get the job done this time. This 
is coming from somebody who thinks war should be the very, very 
last resort, and an option not taken lightly.

It's a huge gamble politically and possibly militarily depending 
on the mindset of the Iraqi people, and a huge gamble if nothing 
is done. Who'd want to be George W.Bush right now. Not me...and 
that's why I salute him.      

Mystery wordsmith: To the person who posted that extremely 
clever paragraph with the oil companies...I'm hoping against 
hope here, but God help us all if that's the reason we're going 
in.     

From: Spy
To: awm
Subject: Learn ta read BITCH
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:08:21 2002

Message:
To the ignorant ass you are.
Apparently YOU are on the side of the terrorist that struck my 
nation just over one year ago.
Therefore you are an enemy of mine.
You are right on one point and one point only BITCH.
I HATE MOTHERFUCKIN' TERRORIST and all they stand 
for.
I AM AMERICAN you stupid terrorist cocksuckin' BITCH !!!!!!

Learn to live with or better yet----just drop DEAD----BITCH>

From: Merlyn
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:20:18 2002

Message:
In a world of pain and misery felt.
A death blow was once dealt.
Stopped short of Saddam it seemed.
Yet down the streets of America ticker tapes streamed.
Now some years later, a son ready to finish the job.
He points his finger at an unruly mob.
One by one they march down the streets of Isreal.
One life after another they steal.
Saddam applauses and sends more in to the frey.
It is of his making, they all say.
The evil ones guilty, they must pay.
for we must not let them bring about that fatal day. 
One drop flows after another.
one man dies next to his brother.
The blood spills, trickles in the soil.
Not red, but black, like oil. 


From: awm
To: spy
Subject: sick
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:31:18 2002

Message:
brother you are very sick and should not be on this board what 
you need is medical help advice to go get it and good ;luck hope 
you get better

From: Spy
To: awm & habibi
Subject: Goat ass sucking camel fucking terrorist
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:24:07 2002

Message:
You both seem to see the word "arab"when I post those 
words.  ----hey-----You are the ones pinning it all together.

As mohamed rokmon alli terrorist says---"if thee turban 
fits;then die with it". 

From: Spy
To: awm
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:37:43 2002

Message:
Don't call me brother---- Cain.

From: awm
To: spy
Subject: you sick puppy
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:35:05 2002

Message:
i forgot to tell that i am one of you ,north american birth and 
male with a sound mind,sorry your not ,may GOD help you,hope you 
get well from your illness

From: Spy
To: awm
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:48:06 2002

Message:
Then you are a terrorist in north america.
canada?---or have you already crossed the boarder you self 
rightous bitch.

If your god is allah----I don't want nor request "its" help.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Merlyn, Spy, awm
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:54:19 2002

Message:
Merlyn: Sir I'm hoping against hope on this one...just hoping 
against hope. What can one do?

Spy and awm: Shootout!..You gents have me ducking for cover 
here. I've no wish to get caught in the crossfire, as bullets 
ricochet all around me. Could I perhaps ask you both, what if 
anything has changed in the U.S. a year on, whether it's for 
better or for worse.


Just checking to make sure I'm wearing my Kevlar 
vest...woah!..that one was close!! 

From: awm
To: spy
Subject: sick puppy
Date: Fri Sep 13 19:04:25 2002

Message:
no i am not a terrorist but a true noth american,beleave in 
freedon and justice for all,and peace for all mankind,but you 
brother are full of hate and have a  very sick mind which you 
need medical help now before its to late,i will pray for you and 
hope you get better,MAY GOD BE WITH YOU AND HELP YOU ALWAYS

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Here's the way it went down
Date: Fri Sep 13 19:11:22 2002

Message:
From: Spy 
To: The Board 
Subject: a year or so latter-- 
Date: Wed Sep 11 21:12:00 2002 
Message:

To all those who have lost loved ones in this war declared 
on freedom--------May peace be in your hearts today though 
war has been thrusted apon us.
 May your belief in freedom and your freedom to search for 
your lord; your spirit or whatever you wish to call it----  be 
without  "others" shoving their dog{:@(ma down your throat, 
nor into the buildings of our great nation where our loved 
ones work..and play...or whorship...and live------IN 
FREEDOM WE LIVE !!!!

Ya-<GOT IT YOU STUPID GOAT ASS SUCKING, CAMEL 
FUCKING TERRORIST DOGS {:@( {:@( {:@( !!!!!!>




To my friends here at the 
http://www.afghan-government.com/ board :

Justice,
 I don't think we address each other that much before, but 
then again I always considered you "friendly fire" and was to 
busy "engaging the enemy" so ta speak.
Skiming the board I noticed your kind words towards me 
and others.Thanks !
I never before 9/11/01 (nor have after;{except for this board}) 
participated in this type of computer activity.
Thanks Justice :)

U.K.Citizen, and an Italian Guy,Radio Europe,Holland/Italy
 To friends who I hoped would drop in for this date.--- " 'Tis 
good to see you UKCitizen"

When I first came to this board, most britts and uks and 
some euros stood with us (though there were others who 
didn't).
I remember someone (I believed named Katherine) from 
Germany who seemed very sypathetic
to the U.S.A.
I also remember others from there ranting nazikillamerica 
go ossama themes.

But you sir(UK)---stuck with us pissed off, so called 
american rednecks.
You did it, as did Radio Europe and Holland/Italy and an 
Italian Guy.
Thanks

To Missin'(that's exausted---"right"?) Walter/om-cf/----and all 
the 
others-------------------------------------------------------------------------
----------------(oh what hell)-----------eagle eye/john e--/fact 
finders/justiceUSA(keep the coffee hot)/----oh-- by the way 
john e.--I owe you for cigarettes(Nov'01)---i think----Camels 
as I remember ??
 North Carolina Gal , Get a grip Merlyn,Walter, and all the 
rest---- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: Spy 
To: John E 
Subject: Your rap about "Pigs Blood" 
Date: Wed Sep 11 21:23:31 2002 
Message:

One of the best post in the last year award .




From: habibi 
To: 
Subject: it's really sad 
Date: Wed Sep 11 22:26:45 2002 
Message:

I have to say that i found this site by accident and Allah only 
knows why. I'm spanish american soon to convert. My 
boyfriend is 
palestinian. He is the best thing that happend to me in my 
life. 
It hurts to see that everyone will judge them all for an army 
that did wrong. Not all of them are bad. My life has changed 
alot being with him. And its all for the better. I'm young and 
cant say i know much about life but i can say that with 9/11 
happening you see how many closed minded people there 
is. I bet 
no one looked at an arab and said "oh,i hate them" but now 
you 
hate them all. Yes it was wrong what happend but its also 
wrong 
to say that you hate these people when they have done 
nothing to 
you. My boyfriend is an american. He was born here. Oh but 
that 
still makes him bad,huh. He has showed me a different life 
and a 
different way of being. I have to say that if he left me 
tomorrow i would go out with another arab. i would never go 
back 
out with spanish,white american guy's again.
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From: Spy 
To: habibi 
Date: Wed Sep 11 23:29:32 2002 
Message:

allow me to repeat something to you---"just in case you 
misunderstood---"

"---Ya-<GOT IT YOU STUPID GOAT ASS SUCKING, CAMEL 
FUCKING TERRORIST DOGS {:@( {:@( {:@( !!!!!!>"

----if you see the word "arab" in the above sentence; it's not 
my fault !!!
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From: om/cf 
To: habibi 
Subject: My version of Dear Abby 
Date: Wed Sep 11 23:17:01 2002 
Message:

It seems you are doing exactly the same "lumping together" 
as 
you are argueing against, huh? He must be a real whinner 
to 
dumping all these excuses upon you. "I can't get a job 
because I 
look middle-eastern. WAAA! I can't take out the trash, what if 
the neighbors see me. WAAA!" Give the excuses a rest 
sister. 
Where I live in America no such discrimination is taking 
place. 
Dump the bum and hook up with an upstanding American 
citizen 
regardless of ethnicity!
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From: Glad to be rid 
To: Habibi 
Subject: Spanish girls are fucken pigs anyway 
Date: Thu Sep 12 02:47:28 2002 
Message:

You must love stinky sand-nigger cock-cheese. Arabs are 
the 
ugliest fuckers to ever walk the earth you're a fucking she-
devil.
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From: Get a grip 
To: habibi 
Subject: your disgusting Bigotry 
Date: Thu Sep 12 08:20:35 2002 
Message:

You are a Bigot! and further more, you are converting to a 
belief system that will never work for you. It's kind of like a 
Jewish girl learning to hip hop. You will look feel and be 
stupid all you want but no one will take you seriously. As for 
being repelled by your own kind, go figure. Becoming a 
mindless 
moron won't help. I really can't blame you for not liking a lazy 
worthless spanish (mexican) street corner boy. But 
becoming a 
Bigot and even worse a Muslim Bigot, won't make you any 
better 
than the trash you just dumped!
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From: awm 
To: sister habibi 
Subject: your life 
Date: Fri Sep 13 10:56:48 2002 
Message:

Habibi your name is GOD given its a name of love please 
sister 
go where your heart tells you .after reading what  SPY said 
to 
you he is nuts dumb and knows not in other words he is full 
of 
hate and shit and unamercian. what is america made of is 
people 
from all over the world,dear Habibi go where your heart tells 
you to i am sure that he is a good man and lucky to have you 
my 
GOD be with you always
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SHOOTOUT----





From: awm
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: sorry
Date: Fri Sep 13 19:12:27 2002

Message:
sorry i did not start this nor did i want this,but this board 
should be clean and be kind to others most of all to our sisters 
SPY was not that kind or clean to miss HABIBI,he was bad to her 
and no better then the taleban to its people,i'm tryingto 
smarten him up but it must be his upbringing at home,he is very 
mean to others if he is a man he should act as a man not a 
child,i am very sorry to upset you,please forgive me,and thank 
you for waking me up or i could have end up like SPY,GOD forbid 
and thank you again i will watch my manners from now on

From: Jack Nicolson
To: awm
Subject: "you can't <HANDLE the TRUTH>
Date: Fri Sep 13 19:31:30 2002

Message:
No really---my name is SPY you self righteous messiah.

you HAVE got ta BE U- KNOW---------------Whoooooo>...




theE.S.D.---------------good one.

From: CC
To: All
Date: Fri Sep 13 19:35:54 2002

Message:
The two American pilots involved with the deaths of 4 Canadian 
soldiers in Afghanistan.
Have each been charged with 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter 
& 8 counts of assault.

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Fri Sep 13 18:48:42 2002

Message:
I agree on the U.N. Either they take the bull by the horns and 
start showing some fortitude and progress, or the whole world is 
dumping its money into a scam. How the U.N. organization regains 
some respect is beyond me, but no country seems to take them 
very seriously. Modern Isreal, the child, was somewhat raised by 
the U.N. and they ignore sixty some U.N. resolutions, why would 
a nutter like Saddman listen? The U.N. seems useless in its 
current form.

I am not nearly as gung-ho for an attack on Iraq as I was in the 
aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks. Anger eventually fades 
somewhat and a more coherant big picture has replaced it. I 
still think Saddam must go but I do not want America to come 
across as a bully. Childishly simple maybe, but I've never liked 
bullies. I want my America to keep to the high road so we never 
have to bow our heads over something not thought completly 
through if that option is available as it is now. I watched the 
interview with Saddmans mistress last night. Seems the old fart 
had a stroke a few years back. Keep Iraq under a microscope and 
the pressure on and its 'one, two, three strokes your out at the 
ole ball game!' Of course apples never fall to far from tree, so 
one of Saddman's boys will take over. Now, will it be the 
younger hoodlum or the older hoodlum crippled from an assination 
attempt ordered by his own daddy-dearest? Now THATS a 
dysfuctional family! LOL!!

Take care, they just had a special report over the tv about 
arresting an al-Qaida cell here in the U.S. Strange happenings 
the last two days here.



From: inferential
To:
Date: Fri Sep 13 19:45:04 2002

Message:
47.3% of all statistics are biased!                   

From: awm
To: spy
Subject: sick puppy
Date: Fri Sep 13 20:14:31 2002

Message:
my heart feel sorry for you, but wish you well, and hope you 
improve your manners to others,i know you can do it,good luck

From: om/cf
To: CC
Subject: A further update
Date: Fri Sep 13 20:02:45 2002

Message:
These pilots were from the Illinois Air National Guard, I think 
I mentioned that before. A article in our local paper about 
month after this incident contained a interview with a former 
I.A.N.G. pilot. He totally ripped the commanders of this unit 
for not maintaining discipline and lack of training and 
expressed his amazement that F-16's haden't crashed in Illinois. 
The pilots are on the hook now, but where are their illustrious 
leaders? And I still say, what in the hell are Fighter jets paid 
for my state taxes doing in Afghanistan when Im getting hit up 
on federal taxes for that service already! I want 'em here 
protecting? my state.

Anyhoo, I got this from the OTHER Crazy Canuck on Free Britania:
------------------------

The latest proposal to drive the Taliban and Al Qaeda out of the 
mountains of Afghanistan is to send in the ASF (Alabama Special 
Forces.) 

Billy Bob, Bubba, Boo, Scooter, Cooter and Junior are being sent 
in with the following information about the Taliban: 

1. There is no limit. 
2. The season opened last weekend. 
3. They taste just like chicken. 
4. They hate beer, pickup trucks, country music, and Jesus. 
5. They don't like barbeque. 
6. They were responsible for Dale Earnhardt's death. 

From: CC
To: om/cf
Subject: Above
Date: Fri Sep 13 20:40:50 2002

Message:
LMAO

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: OnLineExploring
Date: Fri Sep 13 20:45:02 2002

Message:
http://www.afghanbroadcasting.com/

From: U.K.Citizen
To: awm
Subject: Talking
Date: Fri Sep 13 20:35:16 2002

Message:
Awm, it's not that I'm upset, just bemused. It's not really for 
me to tell you or anybody else how to behave or what to think. 
If two people wish to go twelve rounds on this board or anywhere 
else in the world for that matter, I'll let them get on with it 
if they insist on doing so. You and I know some people come to 
this board to let off steam, others to converse, leave a message 
or just pass the time of day. I guess you're aware of the 
criteria I use here. I'm just sorry that things always have to 
come to this point.

The only other point I'd make is this. If we the people, the 
voters if you will, bicker like this then we cannot with any 
seriousness expect any better of our politicians, for they then 
are simply a reflection of us all. Things improve from the 
ground up, not from the top down, and it starts with people like 
us on here. I endeavour to speak civily to whomever I address on 
here, up to the point when they start something with me. I'm not 
here to take sides, just to discuss.

I'll ask once again, for you to make a leap of faith of your own 
and put some of your thoughts down as to what you make of things 
Sept 11 related.  

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:13:28 2002

Message:
That Kevlar vest came in handy after all. Thanks. Listen, if 
there's anything you want to say at all or discuss just let me 
know. I'll post to and monitor the board one and off for the 
next couple of days, then I'll move on I guess.

U.K.Citizen

From: U.K.Citizen
To: North Carolina Gal, Everyman
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:24:28 2002

Message:
Hope the board's been entertaining for you folks today. I make 
sure it's never quiet when I'm around.:) Stay well!

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: thanks once again--give me 3 -4 days please
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:26:38 2002

Message:

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Subject: Will do buddy:)
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:37:09 2002

Message:
Like I said, any thoughts come to mind, put em' down. Getting a 
little late here though, so if I don't post soon, I shall post 
at some time tomorrow. Cheers. 

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Gonna be in the wild for a while.No cell phones---
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:34:30 2002

Message:

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Subject: Getting away from it all, I completely understand...
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:44:14 2002

Message:

From: om/cf
To: awm
Subject: Why are you a cantakerous bitch?
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:51:33 2002

Message:
You must be one almighty perfect son-of-a-bitch, huh? Well I 
know for sure Im not and if the situation requires I could make 
prison bitches and salty sailors blush. You got a hard-on for 
habba-babba-didi? A little K-Y jelly and two or three swift hand 
pumps ought to calm ya down, but be a gentleman and buy handi-
bobbi-didi dinner first and a little tip: Quoting from the 
Quaran gets her hotter and wetter than dripping jet fuel.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf
Date: Fri Sep 13 21:58:26 2002

Message:
That's my concern too, keeping to the high road if all possible.

Thanks for that reply. Dysfunctional families indeed, MTV's "the 
Husseins"..."..sorry but I AM NOT picking up that dogshit!, I'm 
a f***ing meglamaniac (exchanged for 'rock star') for crying out 
loud.."

Was wondering, any decent FM radio stations you'd recommend in 
the Illinios area. I ask because I can pick some up via the 
internet. Listened in to a Chicago radio station, only to find 
another Brit doing the show. Typical. Howard Stern's station 
isn't available yet, they've only just gone over to FM. I'd be 
quite curious to listen to him and one other DJ that's on the 
schedule.

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Fri Sep 13 22:43:12 2002

Message:
I don't listen to much radio anymore except the local stations 
that are all music and commercials, blah. Chicago radio use to 
have some real characters. Steve Dahl's radio program nearly got 
myself and a innocent (but laughing) co-worker fired on the spot 
years ago when the boss (very Catholic) heard what I had on the 
radio!! The FCC gave Dahl a lot of vacations. Mancow was a 
Chicago radio fixture but again, Im not a big radio listener. 
Chicago radio changes so fast now, I haven't a clue.

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 13 23:05:21 2002

Message:
WXRT 93

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Fri Sep 13 23:14:52 2002

Message:
Im sorry to post again....but that bit about the Husseins, In 
still laughing! "I'm a f***ing meglamaniac"!!!! Excellent. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf
Date: Fri Sep 13 23:06:32 2002

Message:
Fair enough. Don't listen to too much myself, kind of 
interesting listening to radio from around the world out of 
simple curiousity. Tried that afghanbroadcasting.com, none of 
the output seems to be in english at all. Know any translators?..
(thanks anyway E.S.D.!)

Didn't know quite what to make of that Florida incident today. 
Boiled down to three people's word against one in the end. False 
alarm? Hmmm. Spy's extended my stay here, so you're stuck with 
me for a while longer...apologies. Remember any queries about 
the U.K...just say "Opinion Requested!". Catch you tomorrow 
perhaps.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf
Subject: That's what he said, I swear!
Date: Fri Sep 13 23:28:55 2002

Message:

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen & theE.S.D.
Subject: afghanbroadcasting.com
Date: Sat Sep 14 00:05:31 2002

Message:
I prefer the Pashto music over Eminem or Brittany Spears! 

From: Everyman
To:
Date: Sat Sep 14 00:07:32 2002

Message:
Was up @ the Fort Lewis Army Base today, and heard that 
something will be happening soon...retirement being denied for 
those who are up for it unless they get out this next week or 
so, otherwise they have to stay in another year...from what the 
soldiers say it means there's going to be a call to action.

From: Everyman
To:
Date: Sat Sep 14 00:16:35 2002

Message:
Interview on 'Dateline' w/ a "faceless" (for her protection) 
Iranian woman...she stopped the film crew to give U.S. a 
message:  'Take them out!  We want to get rid of them!  Do here 
what you did in Afghanistan!"
Hmmm.

From: om/cf
To: Everyman
Date: Sat Sep 14 00:32:17 2002

Message:
I still would like to see all diplomatic options exhausted first 
regarding Iraq. Also, I'd like to see either U.N. support or 
more multi-national support than we currently have. All the 
military peices have been in place for a few weeks. Aziz (the 
fake glasses & nose guy) warned "Iraq will teach the U.S. a 
lesson". Nice familiar B.S. There is going to be a lot of dead 
people in this one. If we do this with the U.K. & Australia as 
major allies, we MUST attack very hard, and very fast. I think 
we will be surprised again at how white tee-shirts make great 
surrender flags. This approach will save lives, no pussyfooting.

Thank you America, for not being into pasting our current 
president's head on every bulding, bus, and playground. Can 
anyone imagine walking around in Baghdad with gigantic Saddam's 
everywhere you look. Sends a definate message, "Im watching you".

From: Osama
To: Bush
Subject: JIHAD!!!
Date: Sat Sep 14 13:21:33 2002

Message:
Jihad, no
I wrote a poem
here it is
ONe fine day the towers stood mighty and tall,
only minutes later would these great towers fall,
Now we are in a brawl,
America might fall

From: an Italian guy
To: "osama"
Date: Sat Sep 14 15:26:25 2002

Message:
You're just a poor fool.

From: shitball
To: osama
Subject: dickhead
Date: Sat Sep 14 16:45:44 2002

Message:
your such an asshole you must also have some uk blood in you.

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 14 16:09:57 2002

Message:
Your braindead punks dropped the towers, this 'tis true.
Being their leader, where in the hell where you?

Running and hiding like a little cockroach,
and humping a goat from a rearward approach.

The Daisey Cutter that ofted ya,
tore ya to pieces so now theres more of ya.

You fucked with the best, you died like the rest.
The job is not finished, we are not thru.
Of ridding the world of assholes like you.

R.I.P. Osama 12/23/01





From: ME
To: YOU
Subject: TOGETHER
Date: Fri Oct 19 23:57:42 2001

Message:
DO YOU NOT RELIZE WE ALL PAY FOR OUR RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. WE 
BUST OUR BUTTS AT WORK EVERYDAY TO TO BARELY SURVIVE IN OUR OWN 
COUNTRY. WITH PRICE INCREASES AND THE RATE OF LIVING RISING 
RAPIDALLY IT IS HARD TO SURVIVE. WE PAY OUR GOVERNMENT, STATE, 
AND CITY MONEY TO LIVE.  THEY ARE THE FIRST TO GET PAID AND OUR 
CHILDREN AND FAMILY ARE SECOND. 

BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOMS, WE HAVE CREATED OUR OWN WAR ZONE. WE 
WERE SO GENEROUS TO THE UNFORTUNATE WHO WANTED A CHANCE AT 
FREEDOM. WE THEN WERE ATTACK BY OUR OWN CREATION AND OUR OWN 
WEAPONS. OUR KINDNESS WAS USED AGAINST US FOR MASS MURDER IN THE 
U.S.

WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN INPERFECTIONS WE ALL SIN, BECAUSE SIN IS MAN 
MADE. I BELIEVE IN GOD AND I KNOW THAT I AM WATCH OVER EVERYDAY. 
NOT ONLY BY GOD, BUT BY THE SON AND HOLY SPIRIT. 

MURDER IS MURDER IT DOESN'T MATTER WHICH WAY YOU LOOK AT IT. YOU 
KILL INACENT PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A SICK SATISFACTION. THE ARE 
MURDERED BECAUSE OF THEIR INPERFECTIONS AND THE INPERFECTIONS OF 
THEIR GOVERNMENT, RACE, SEX AND RELIGION?  NOT ONLY IN 
AFGANASTAN AND IRAQ, BUT ALL THRID WORLD COUNTRIES AND ALL 
NATIONS INCLUDING OUR OWN COUNTRY. 

YOUR GOD, MY GOD, HIS GOD, HER GOD CAN NOT BE MADE TO BE A 
NEGATIVE GOD WHO IS OUT TO CONQUER THE WORLD AND PROVIDE MURDER 
AND DEATH TO CREATE A PERFECT PERSON AND SOCIETY. MURDER AND 
DEATH IS A CHOICE SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE NOT A MESSAGE FROM GOD.

ALL GODS, ARE TO BE MADE PEACEFUL AND GREAT TO ONE AND THE 
OTHER. I SAY BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU CHOOSE BUT FIND THE POSITIVE. 
LOOK UP THE WORDS AND GET THE REAL MEANING, IT IS A LEARNING 
TOOL FOR YOUR OWN SURVIVAL IN YOUR ENVIROMENT THROUGH 
INDIVIDUALITY AND INDEPENDENCE FROM RULES.

I AM WHITE (THAT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE) AND I BELIEVE 
IN EQUALITY WE ARE ALL NOT JUDGEMENTAL. WE SOMETIME SEE THINGS 
IN A NARROW POINT OF VIEW. NOT JUST ONE RACE BUT ALL RACES. NOT 
JUST ONE GOVERNMENT BUT ALL GOVERNMENTS. NOT JUST ONE SOCIETY 
BUT ALL SOCIETIES.


From: om/cf
To:
Date: Sat Sep 14 17:21:59 2002

Message:
I (cough, cough) sheepishly claim the 'R.I.P Osama' attempt at 
poetry.

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Sat Sep 14 19:04:16 2002

Message:
The daisy-cutter part was the giveaway.
There are only a few of us here that pay any attention to the 
news,and would have any knowledge of the word daisy-cutter.

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Sat Sep 14 19:30:51 2002

Message:
Its funny in a way, so many people I know are so concerned with 
whether or not Osama is alive or not. Does it really matter? To 
think the death of Osama bin Ladin will somehow end terrorism is 
a warm, fuzzy thought but not realistic. There are plenty of 
others with the same or worse mindset that would love to be the 
second coming of Osama. For my money, he's bin dead dead since 
last December.

From: AshleyA
To: Habibi
Subject: Ya
Date: Sat Sep 14 20:12:18 2002

Message:
I just came to this site to see what it was about and um ive 
been reading all this stuff on arabs and crap...and Habibi, Im 
sorry but uh Arabs did do sumthing to us..They crashed 2 frickin 
planes into the Trade Towers and You excpect us not to be mad? 
They also tried to hit the White house but fortunitly some guys 
on the plane didnt want their president dead so they gave up 
their own lives to save the presidents! They also crashed a 
plane into the Pentagon! Yes we are mad about this and You 
cannot think we r crazy for being mad about Arabs killing over 
thousands of people in this horrible tragidy! We will stand up 
for our Country and NO arabs can take our faith away! 

I hope nothing like this EVER happens again!
GOD BLESS THE U.S.A.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf, Everyman
Date: Sat Sep 14 19:53:15 2002

Message:
Om/cf: The music, better add the Spice Girls to that list...and 
your poem. Too modest by far sir. "Hello, good evening and 
welcome, to this evening's edition of..Poetry Wars!"

Everyman: Odd approach by the MoD (Ministry of Defence) over 
here. Traditionally always been highly secretive to the point of 
stupidity, even when it's blatantly obvious what's going on. An 
aircraft carrier 3/4 of the way to Gulf. Military transporters 
criss-crossing the country and troop movements more than the 
norm, and naturally the official line is "we're taken part 
military exercises." Of course.  

From: alan reeves
To: group
Subject: Stanley Cohen
Date: Sat Feb 9 10:17:36 2002

Message:
Stanley (Nazi) Cohen, the Anti Semetic Jewish lawyer who openly 
defends and represents Hamas and other terrorist groups who is 
a double traitor towards Israel/Jews and towards the US. He 
represented Hamas, key members of Al Qaeda, amd even admitted 
he would defend Bin Ladin if he was to stand trial. This self 
hating Jew needs to stand trial to be charged with treason and 
Prosecuted to the full extent of the law, and given the maximum 
penalty for treason. 

From: Get a grip
To: edited
Subject: The fate of Osama Bin laden
Date: Sat Sep 14 21:44:02 2002

Message:
Holy shit
God had a fit. 
While he made the Muslims wail and cry, 
Mohammad fucked every girl he could try.
Mo renamed God Allah,
and in the mosque they did holla 
Wearing rags on their head, 
and wishing they were dead.
They kissed their rugs,
and got strung out on drugs.
Knowing only the lies of the Qur an,
and ignorant as a cockroach in Japan.
They spouted their hateful shit,
and Osama had a fit.
He declared his sick little jihad one day,
now he's toast they say.
Rotting in his hell,
to the depth he fell
He found Instead of 72 virgins to him devote,
All he got was a stinky old crab laden goat!



From: U.K.Citizen
To: an Italian Guy, ME
Date: Sat Sep 14 21:29:37 2002

Message:
an Italian Guy: Had the good fortune to visit Napoli some years 
ago now. I admire any person that lives in the shadow of a 
volcano like Vesuvius. The bay of Naples looked a fine sight 
from it's summit. No untoward rumbling from it recently I hope.

Wondered if you could tell me whether your Prime Minister's 
opinion reflects that of your nation in regards to military 
action against Iraq. Does he from your point of view represent 
Italian public opinion for the most part on this issue?

ME: Some nice thoughts there in your post. For most people to 
think globally rather than nationally. That'll take some time 
one assumes, but it's a nice aim nonetheless. Looking to the 
positive, not that when all's said and done, any of us really 
have any choice. Btw, scuse me asking, but are you the same 'me' 
that had a difference of opinion with a poster called Viper? No 
alterior motive in asking, it's just curiosity.

From: jeff
To: you
Subject: whats up
Date: Tue Jun 11 12:50:27 2002

Message:
whats up

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen & All
Date: Sat Sep 14 21:37:51 2002

Message:
In a battle of poetry, I am unarmed!

WOW! The war on terrorism juggernaut is picking up speed finally!
The five arrested in Buffalo, New York are of Yemini background 
but where all born in the U.S. They attended the same al-Qeada 
terrorist camp in Afghanistan as John Walker Lindh, at the same 
time. The enemy amongst us indeed! The Muslim community of 
Buffalo is being patted heartily on the back for this one.

And salutes must go out to Pakistan for the capture 
of...whatever his name is. Part of the cell that attacked on 
911, he tried to get in the U.S. five times in a year and was 
denied. One out of twenty is not a good average, but still...
He continued sending money to the hi-jackoffs that made it in 
country. Nothing less than his nuts and/or severed head publicly 
displayed will do! Another 'good job' to Pakistan for whacking 
the guy suspected of lopping off Daniel Pearl's head, and 
sending some of his dear friends to hell with him!

The deal in Florida is very strange. I smell some stinky kids 
lookin' for a lawsuit based on their statements afterwards. We 
shall see. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf
Subject: Progress.
Date: Sat Sep 14 23:01:13 2002

Message:
Those U.S. born al-Qaeda suspects you mentioned. Great news that 
they were tracked down! Great news! It's encouraging to hear of 
cross-community co-operation on this one, if that's indeed the 
case. It's a common enemy that's being faced, and it's good news 
that at least some are recognising that fact. Long process, and 
this is just the begining of the start of it, let alone the end 
of the start of it. Certainly due acknowledgement to the 
Musharaf adminstration. He's gone through a fairly rapid 
transformation from a mistrusted ringleader of a military coup, 
to a reliable and respected partner in the cause of global anti-
terrorism. Their police were shot at and wounded in apprehending 
the potential "20th hyjacker". They did well.

I recall seeing the interview of the lady who made the 
allegation. To my mind she came across as being genuine in what 
she said, quite honestly. Maybe that's inherant bias on my part, 
and I just don't realise it. I don't know. I didn't 
unfortunately get a chance to hear the views of those who were 
subject to the allegations (not to mention the alligators, I 
understand Florida is famed for them). What I did see were 
family members speaking on their behalf claiming racism was her 
motive. Oh boy..

Listen, I'll sign off for today but, if you've any views on what 
you think of Mr.Blair (or "toniblair" as the French call 
him)...and his recent diplomatic stance, let me know and I'll 
get back to you on this subject tomorrow.     

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Merlyn
Subject: Welsh maybe the true English
Date: Sat Sep 14 23:50:00 2002

Message:
A recent theory rather than fact at this stage: but it's said 
that the 'original' English (Anglo/Saxons) fled from England 
behind the safety of the Welsh mountains, in the wake of the 
Norman invasion and eventual conquest in 1066. The whole point 
of J.R.R.Tolkein' books was not so much to tell a story rather 
revive a lost history and language prior to said invasion. 
Something for you to ponder perhaps. See what you make of that!
As above, speak to you tommorow Merlyn. 

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sun Sep 15 01:09:05 2002

Message:
If I had to answer one of those hypothetical, "If you could have 
dinner with one person in the world" questions, Musharaf would 
be at least near the top of the list! The man and what he's done 
flat-ass amazes me. Before dinner I'd like to take a shot at 
whipping him in tennis though, I saw a weakness in his game on a 
tv interview!

From: me
To: U.K. Citizen
Date: Sun Sep 15 01:29:06 2002

Message:
Apparently there are TWO 'me's on this board. That last 'ME' 
posting was not me. I post using lower-case letters in 'me'. I'm 
the one who had that little spat with VIPER.

From: maddog
To: osama
Subject: real men
Date: Sun Sep 15 02:42:47 2002

Message:
Why don't you stand up to a real man asswipe. I bet i could rip 
you into with my bare hands, ragheaded bitch. I don't need 
weapons, or gophers to do my dirty work. 
Smile and laugh punk, cause your days are numbered. tick tock 
tick tock,Sleep well ha ha fuckin bitch. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: me, Open mind/closed fist
Date: Sun Sep 15 09:22:29 2002

Message:
me: So, there's kind of a big ME and a 'mini me' thing going on 
here at the moment...as it were! I do thank you for clearing 
that detail up for me. Should you wish to, feel free a drop a 
line, you know, any questions or comments to either myself or 
Om/cf, or others perhaps. I'll stay at the board for two days 
tops, then I'm off.

Om/cf: Going back a while I don't know if you recall what I said 
about the way Messers Bush and Blair were working together at 
the outset. Blair came through politically and militarily when 
it was most needed. I said that Mr.Bush would have appreciated 
that, and that he wouldn't forget it, in any future dealings. I 
remember saying at the time, that assistance and compromise 
should go both ways.

With that said, I recall the other day reading the comments of a 
senior figure in the Blair government observe that President 
Bush does have high regard for our PM's opinions on matters, and 
does indeed take into account Mr.Blair's concerns. Reading 
between the lines it looks as though Mr.Bush as a result decided 
to give the U.N. one last shot at living up to the purpose it 
was founded for. It's actually a win win situation for him. It 
gives him far greater legitimacy to act with force if necessary 
against Iraq, and it frankly embarrases the U.N. into action. If 
any draft resolution is finalised it gives greater scope 
politically, rather than the unilaterist alternative, which 
though do-able by the United States, would not be the prefered 
course of action to take. When I first joined this board, I said 
the U.S. shouldn't have to be EXPECTED to act alone in world 
affairs, and take the flack for doing something knowone else 
wanted to take on, especially if things went belly up. I was 
touched by EagleEye's response, and I know he appreciated just 
exactly, from what point of view I was coming from. 

I'm not trying to compare myself to Mr.Blair!, but I don't think 
this is all about winning a kind of "America's bestest buddy 
contest". I personally just think it's the right thing to do. 
Simply out of principle. I kind of guessed Mr.Blair would act on 
principle with regards to Iraq and he seems to have done so.

Israel & Palestine:

As a last point, regarding the U.N. it's quite true that Iraq is 
not the only country in violation of current U.N. mandates. 
Israel being one of course, amongst a few others. Depending on 
how things turn out in the next couple of years, I'd like to 
think that some consistancy can be applied to the reinforcement 
of resolutions brought against other countries too. After all, 
resolutions are there to represent world opinion. Though I have 
great sympathy for instance, with the Israelis and the 
Palestinians in their conflict with each other on one level, on 
another, both cultures think they're right (almost devinely so), 
and won't compromise at all...well they get what they deserve in 
that case. If one party is willing to give way, as painful as 
that may be, even if they feel they're in the right, that's the 
only way things may improve. Any Arab or Jewish leader couragous 
enough, who has in fact taken that brave stance, has been shot 
dead for doing so....What a shit world this is. Anyway, that's 
why I've steered clear of that topic because it's seemingly, an 
endless cycle.             

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Merlyn
Subject: correction
Date: Sun Sep 15 11:08:54 2002

Message:
In my last post to you, swap the word history with the word, 
culture. That's actually what I meant.

From: shitball
To: uk asshole
Subject: no correction
Date: Sun Sep 15 12:04:21 2002

Message:
fuck you and your limey rotted teeth cuntry

From: U.K.Citizen
To: shitball
Date: Sun Sep 15 12:45:16 2002

Message:
Is that your way of saying you don't want me to leave the board? 
It sure sounds like it. I'm am glad you've finally plucked up 
the courage to address directly. Good for you!

You know very well I can't take you or your abuse seriously. 
That temper of yours...tut tut............hehe.

The handle 'shitball' says it all..don't you think? Self esteem 
problem?

Grow a brain before you talk to me. Otherwise you'll keep 
digging yourself in deeper and deeper...until you're way in way 
over that empty head yours. No offence.
 

From: jason
To: afghan
Date: Fri Sep 14 17:19:53 2001

Message:
what kinda sick basterds r u all

From: Concerned
To: Board
Subject: UK Citizen
Date: Sun Sep 15 13:23:26 2002

Message:
UK Citizen got banned from his morris-dancing club because they 
caught him wanking into other members underwear. He also lost 
his job as a geography teacher for molesting a boy in the 
bookcupboard so please don't encourage him, I jnow this man and 
he is a menace

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Concerned
Date: Sun Sep 15 14:03:59 2002

Message:
Mindless insults I'll not stoop down too, as you're plainly 
doing. You brought up the subject of molestation, so just what 
does that say about you?

If you're SUCH a CONCERNED citizen, then post as 'Concerned' 
from this point on about 9/11 issues. I somehow know...you don't 
have the guts to. If you haven't he gumption to state your own 
opinions about the topics relevant to this board, then that's 
hardly my problem.


From: Very Concerned
To: the Board
Subject: Concerned
Date: Sun Sep 15 14:21:05 2002

Message:
Concerned was caught, pecker in hand, teaching younger co-
workers how to add the "special sauce" to the gyros while 
working in his uncle Nick's Greek resturaunt. Just thought you 
all should know.

From: om/cf
To: All
Date: Sun Sep 15 14:53:33 2002

Message:
What a wonderfull day!!

Eating homemade chili (made yesterday of course, always better 
the second day), drinking a beer, and watching DA Bearssss!

And Fox news reported that the information set to be released by 
Tony B. will tie Saddam and Osama!! I've seen pics of 737's, 
laying on their bellies in Iraq that are used for hi-jackass 
training. And then this:

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US authorities prepared to take custody of 
top al-Qaeda lieutenant Ramzi bin al-Shaiba, a suspected planner 
of the September 11 attacks who was captured last week in a raid 
in Pakistan. 
Bin al-Shaiba, one of the world's most hunted men, was arrested 
in Karachi on Wednesday by Pakistani security forces accompanied 
by US FBI agents and detained in a raid in which at least two 
people were killed and several others were arrested, the sources 
said. 

Another suspected top al-Qaeda figure seized in Karachi was 
expected to be handed over to the Federal Bureau of 
Investigation (FBI), the intelligence officer told AFP on 
condition of anonymity. 

Pakistani intelligence agencies in close coordination with the 
FBI have been interrogating both men. The identity of the second 
suspect has not been disclosed. 

The officer said the interrogation of Bin al-Shaiba "is in the 
final phase and he can be extradited to the US any time." 

According to The Washington Post, Pakistani police officers at 
the scene said one of the people killed in the firefight was 
Khalid Sheik Mohammed, a Pakistani national born in Kuwait, who 
has been described as one of the top planners of the September 
11 attacks. 


From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf
Date: Sun Sep 15 15:14:41 2002

Message:
Hi, say did my last post sound anti-American at all? From you 
I'll take criticism. I'm quite sure Mr.Bush can make up his own 
mind of course! Just thought I'd clarify the point.

Waiting for Concerned and shitball. Think they'll show?

Hope you're enjoying your weekend! 

From: shitball
To: U Kunt citishit
Subject: i'm here
Date: Sun Sep 15 15:23:44 2002

Message:
You must still be waiting for the USA to send over more help to 
keep your shit fucked island cuntry piece of garbage afloat.

If it wasn't for the USA you limey fucks would be saying "Zeig 
Heil" instead of "ram that bloody penis into my bum".



Who's laughing now brit fuck?

From: U.K.Citizen
To: shitball
Date: Sun Sep 15 15:29:35 2002

Message:
How inventive!, but I'll stick with 'shitball' for you, it seems 
to suit you. If you personally are taking credit for saving our 
arses, that must make you around 80 years old. So as I'm 
especially repectful to the eldery and infirm, such as 
yourself..I'll be kind to you. Wouldn't want to give you too 
tough time on here. Wouldn't advise you to laugh either, you 
might choke on your dentures. 

So whose's laughing now shit...ball?


From: U.K.Citizen
To: shitball
Date: Sun Sep 15 16:05:04 2002

Message:
Are you still there? I'm more than happy to be civil about 
this..but your choice....

From: shitball
To: uk kunt
Subject: fuck thyself
Date: Sun Sep 15 16:19:37 2002

Message:
i'll laugh everytime i get some asshole like you upset.  if you 
want to laugh along at yourself that's fine.

civil?  what the fuck do lime sucking, goat testicle kidney pie 
fuck the queen idiots like you know about civil?

if that whore princess cunt di was alive today what would she be 
doing?

SCRATCHING AT THE LID OF HER COFFIN !!!!!!!!!!!


HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA 
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA 
HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA


FUCK OFF 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: shitball
Date: Sun Sep 15 16:26:30 2002

Message:
Phew!..for a moment there I thought something terrible had 
happened to you. Just how can you, making a fool of 
yourself ,upset me? I can laugh along at myself, because I've 
the self confidence to do so.

Don't tell me that with a handle like 'shitball' you don't have 
a self-esteem problem...


Tough controlling that temper of yours, huh?

From: Everyman
To:
Subject: U.K. Citizen
Date: Sun Sep 15 16:36:13 2002

Message:
THIS COMES TO US FROM
RELATIVES IN FLORIDA!!!!!


Subject: Alligator Warning



The Florida State Department of Fish and Wildlife is advising 
hikers,
hunters, fishers, and golfers to take extra precautions and 
keep alert for
alligators while in Osceola, Polk, Brevard and Orange Counties. 
They
advise people to wear noise-producing devices such as little 
bells on their
clothing to alert but not startle the alligators unexpectedly. 
They also advise
the carrying of pepper spray in case of an encounter with an 
alligator.

It is also a good idea to watch for fresh signs of alligator 
activity:

People should recognize the difference between small young 
alligator and large adult alligator droppings.

Young alligator droppings are smaller and contain fish bones 
and possibly bird feathers.

Adult alligators droppings have little bells in them and smell 
like pepper spray.



From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: Good info.
Date: Sun Sep 15 16:50:28 2002

Message:
I'll bear that mind!, just in case I think of getting a pet 
alligator. As I'm the subject of your post, better be careful of 
me..us alligators are a menace!:)

Nice to hear from you. 

From: Everyman
To:
Subject: U.K. Citizen
Date: Sun Sep 15 16:52:23 2002

Message:
Suppose your 'friend' there gets on well with the dung beetles?

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Date: Sun Sep 15 16:57:56 2002

Message:
I'm quite sure he does,..."Keep 
rollin'..rollin'..rollin'..rollin'". Heavy metal anthem. Wasn't 
that originally a Beatles song?, hmmm...I could be wrong.

 

From: Walter
To: U.K.Citizen/Everyman
Date: Sun Sep 15 16:57:05 2002

Message:
Whenever a serious discussion occurs in a"public"setting,there's 
sure to be a cry from a hidden voice,and the words are guaranteed 
to be either of two things:words about one's mother,or words 
describing a homosexual act.
 Also guaranteed is that the speaker of these words has been 
caught at this,time and again,and has received countless slaps on 
the side of the head,but to no avail,since these type of comments 
are the closest these types of people will ever come to any kind 
of social interaction.
 These types almost never are able to have a girlfriend or 
wife,are alienated from their parents,but seem to get along with 
chilren quite well,at least until the police catch them.

From: Everyman
To: U.K.Citizen/Walter
Date: Sun Sep 15 17:12:56 2002

Message:
Kind of like the mosquito that buzzes around your ear...

U.K., that was supposed to be TO:/not subject.

It's all subjective, right?

Good point, Walter.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Walter
Date: Sun Sep 15 17:12:51 2002

Message:
I'm sure you're right, but whatever 'type' he is, he f***ed up 
when he crossed me.



From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Date: Sun Sep 15 17:21:11 2002

Message:
I kind of guessed that, but I still it's applicable:)

From:
To:
Date: Sun Sep 15 17:17:10 2002

Message:
Med. Student: Fla. Scare Was Mistake 

By TIM REYNOLDS 
Associated Press Writer  
DAVIE, Fla. (AP)   Insisting he and his friends bore no 
resentment toward anyone, one of the three Muslim medical 
students detained in a terror scare on a Florida highway said 
Sunday that the situation was a misunderstanding. 

Kambiz Butt, 25, said that he and Ayman Gheith, 27, and Omar 
Choudhary, 23, simply want to clear their names and be allowed 
to continue their education in the United States. 

``We're medical students. We are not terrorists,'' Butt said, 
flanked by Gheith and Choudhary. ``Our concern in life is to 
become doctors. We want to help people. We do not want to 
hurt.''   

Butt, the only one of the students to speak at a news 
conference, also said all were worried about their futures but 
harbor no resentment toward the woman who told authorities she 
overheard them discussing terrorist plans Thursday at a 
restaurant in Calhoun, Ga. 

``We're in a state of shock and we are scared,'' Butt said. 
``But I'd like to tell the American people that we are not a 
threat.'' 

The Miami hospital where the three were headed before they were 
detained for 17 hours Friday on Interstate 75, the main east-
west route through the Everglades, says they aren't welcome 
anymore. 

The head of Larkin Community Hospital said Sunday he had 
received more than 200 e-mails after the incident, some of them 
threatening.  
 
`Our primary objective is to take care of patients. I don't 
know how that could be done with all this media coverage,'' 
said Dr. Jack Michel, president and chief executive officer of 
Larkin. 

He said the men's medical school, Ross University, had agreed 
to transfer them to a different training program and that they 
might be welcome at Larkin later. 

The woman who called authorities, Eunice Stone of Cartersville, 
Ga., said she heard the students talking about blowing up 
buildings and laughing about the Sept. 11 attacks. She also 
said she heard the students saying that a terrorist event was 
looming on Sept. 13. 

``Not once did we mention 9-11. Not once did we mention 
anything about 9-13, nor did we joke about anything of that 
sort,'' Butt said. ``She was probably just eavesdropping on our 
conversation and might have heard a few key words that she 
misconstrued.''  
 
Butt said he believes Stone was attempting to be ``a patriot 
for America.'' 

Stone stood by her report of what she heard and said she would 
do the same thing again. 

``I am not a racist, and I am not ignorant,'' she told The 
Atlanta Journal-Constitution. ``I was just trying to do what's 
best.'' 

Brett Newkirk, one of four attorneys representing the students, 
called the situation ``an incident of misunderstanding.'' 

 
``They are Americans, just like any other American, who are 
proud to be American, who want to fulfill the American dream, 
and who were on the road to doing that when the American 
nightmare happened to them,'' Newkirk said. 

Gheith is a naturalized U.S. citizen born in Jordan, Choudhary 
is a U.S. citizen born in Detroit, and Butt is in the United 
States on a visa. 

The three students were in two cars and en route to Miami on 
Friday when authorities stopped them on Interstate 75 after one 
of the vehicles allegedly went through a toll plaza without 
paying. 

``They didn't blow the toll,'' Newkirk said, without 
elaborating.  


Officials at Ross University, which is based in New York City 
but has a campus on the Caribbean island of Dominica, did not 
immediately return calls for comment on Sunday. 


From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Subject: repeat..grrrr
Date: Sun Sep 15 17:22:41 2002

Message:
I kind of guessed that, but I still think it's applicable:)

Lost it's fizz, second time around...

From: Everyman
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sun Sep 15 17:41:15 2002

Message:
watch out for that pepper spray...

From: U.K.Citizen
To: unamed poster
Subject: Florida incident
Date: Sun Sep 15 17:37:58 2002

Message:
I wouldn't have bitten your head off!...all talk of alligators 
aside. Without knowing all the facts I'm prepared to keep an 
open mind. What I typed was simply my own initial impression 
taken from when I'd seen. A misunderstanding,..IF, AND ONLY IF, 
that's the case, is always an unfortunate occurance. Erring on 
the side of caution, I thought, it would have been a wise move 
in my opinion, given the closeness to Sept 11 to monitor anyway. 
If apologies are genuine from both sides in this matter, I'm 
quite sure there won't be any need for any multi-million dollar 
lawsuits in regards to compensation, for the three persons 
subject to the allegations, right?.  

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Everyman
Date: Sun Sep 15 17:59:02 2002

Message:
Pepper spray sounds good to me!..signing off.

From: North Carolina Gal
To: Everyman
Date: Sun Sep 15 18:53:06 2002

Message:
I've been hearing the same things from the guys at ft. lewis. My 
son is stationed there and has been saying the same things for 
the most part. It's what he's not saying that worries me. 

From: om/cf
To: Facts Finder
Date: Sun Sep 15 21:30:28 2002

Message:
The arrests and deaths of some high profile terrorists make me 
want to dance in the street and waggle my tongue in the air!! 
Just kidding, but I am happy about recent progress against the 
brainwashed idiots... hope all is well with you, haven't seen a 
post for some time now....

From: Merlyn
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Wales
Date: Sun Sep 15 21:25:31 2002

Message:
From that area is the small number of Welsh, and from the Isle 
of Mann, families that can be traced. Mine is from Wales. The 
fled only to suffer the fate of the Romans and the end of the 
Druids, yes and so they believe the partial destruction of 
Stonehenge. 
  Much of the Welsh are predominantly Christian, viewing 
the "old ways" as custom and not religion. This small spark of 
the pre-crusade Welsh have a big problem with Irish and Wiccan 
influence and even the present mix that is considered 'norm' for 
the Celtic and Druid in the U.K.. 
  The earliest of the tribes were worshippers of the solar 
cycle, not lunar. However today the wheel of the year reflects 
both the solar and lunar aspects as does the traditional 
calendar having the Lunar like Samhain (Halloween) and the solar 
like Christmas (on the shortest day of the year). 
  Having Christianity dominate the social issue often just makes 
them speechless, it is an issue that runs very deep. More of a 
frustration is the loss of a true social pattern to define the 
lineage and philosophy. The influence of all who invaded England 
is a matter of timeless study.   

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Sun Sep 15 21:53:09 2002

Message:
When one has alligators nipping at one's arse, biting the 
critters back is the best defense. Well done! 

From: om/cf
To:
Subject: Amendment to above statement
Date: Sun Sep 15 22:03:45 2002

Message:
The BEST defense is putting a 9mm 147 grain Remington Golden 
Sabre hollowpoint into an idiots head, but thats seldom a 
realistic option.

From: Irak boy
To: American people
Date: Fri Sep 14 17:19:53 2001

Message:
U.S.A act like a god, killing and punish people in entire the 
world, knowing this countrys have laws, and a own democracy. 
They fear the massive bomb of Irak, but they not remeber that 
U.S.A is only country that launch this terrible bomb over Japna, 
killin 150.000 INOCCENT PEOPLE, WOMAN AND CHILDREN !!!....so, 
the 09/11 must repite because the USA not understan the message.
"The people who ignore the history is directly to repeat", 
Israel will know and the United States of Infamy to.
Die to every children's killer !!!!!

OSAMA RULES..(if he really plane the attack?)
Kuantiko

From: Walter
To:
Date: Sun Sep 15 23:22:34 2002

Message:
Nice try at 3rd-worlding,but the name of your supposed country 
is Iraq.Better luck next time.

From: Get a grip
To: Irak boy
Subject: thick as a brick
Date: Mon Sep 16 08:02:58 2002

Message:
Really? well how about Saddam repeating the ethnic cleansing of 
his country? Do you suppose he should repeat that? Perhapse the 
Iran & Iraq war should be repeated too. Oh yes, you claim that 
Muslim is a religion of peace. Gassing of your Kurds was kind of 
peaceful, ol' Saddam is just another freedom fighter..right? 
  And that lesson that America is supposed to learn, obediance 
to your fake made up pedifile poligimist god, Alalalah the 
pitiful, it will never happen. Just a clue..even if there was 
only one American left on earth, he would not comply with your 
fake god. So fuck off, eat shit and die..today is a good day, so 
is tomorrow. You can improve the future by killing your self, 
that is the way of Alalalah! So believe in your god. Do as your 
god tells you and live in the sewer and eat your mullah's tirds 
like a good muslime. I think they call it a shitskebob. 

From:
To: Irak punk
Date: Mon Sep 16 08:15:11 2002

Message:
and by the way..learn ENGLISH! or shut the fuck up

From: Justice
To: all
Subject: warning
Date: Mon Sep 16 09:42:14 2002

Message:
> Due to increasing products liability litigation, American 
liquor manufacturers have accepted the FDA's suggestion that the 
following warning labels be placed immediately on all varieties 
of alcohol containers:
>
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may leave you wondering 
what the hell happened to your bra.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you are
> whispering when you are not.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol is a major factor in 
dancing like a retard.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell your 
friends over and over again that you love them.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to think you 
can sing.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe 
that ex-lovers are really dying for you to telephone them at 
four in the morning.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you can 
logically converse with members of the opposite sex without 
spitting.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may make you think you 
have mystical Kung Fu powers, resulting in you getting your ass 
kicked.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to roll over 
in the morning and see something really scary.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may create the illusion 
that you are tougher, smarter, faster and better looking than 
most people.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may lead you to believe 
you are invisible or worse bulletproof.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may lead you to think 
people are laughing WITH you.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause a disturbance in 
the time-space continuum, whereby gaps of time may seem to 
literally disappear.
> WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause pregnancy.
> WARNING: the consumption of alcohol may Mack you tink you can 
tipe real gode.
>


From: me
To: them
Date: Sun Sep 30 17:26:34 2001

Message:
All i have to say is what goes around comes aroud!!!  And thats 
a fact.

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Hearing
Date: Mon Sep 16 10:36:21 2002

Message:
A young man leased an apartment and went to the lobby
to put his name on his mailbox. While there, an
attractive young lady came out of the apartment next
to the mailboxes wearing a robe.

The man smiled at the young woman and she started a
conversation with him. As they talked, her robe
slipped open, and it was obvious that she had nothing
else on. Poor guy broke out into a sweat trying to
maintain eye contact.

After a few minutes, she placed her hand on his arm
and said, "Let's go to my apartment, I hear someone
coming."

He followed her into her apartment. She closed the
door and leaned against it, allowing her robe to fall
off completely. Now nude, she purred at him, "What
would you say is my best feature?"

Flustered and embarrassed, he finally squeaked, "It's
got to be your ears!"

Astounded and a little hurt she asked, "My ears? Look
at these breasts. They are full and 100% natural! I
work out everyday! My butt is firm and solid! Look at
my skin. No blemishes anywhere! How can you feel that
the best part of my body is my ears?"

Clearing his throat, he stammered, "Outside, when you
said you heard someone coming... That was me."

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: lest we forget, a look at the fallen who gave their lives for us in valor.
Date: Mon Sep 16 11:38:17 2002

Message:
http://www.nleomf.org/911_popup.html

From: Merlyn
To:
Subject: Mother earth
Date: Mon Sep 16 15:14:10 2002

Message:
Alight by the glow, I stare deep in the crimson of the flame. A 
puff of he pipe and a swirl of light smoke, and I sink deep into 
thought. Dancing upon mothers breast in a dance of hells fire, 
only to see there eyes hollow and the sunken look of one so 
hopeless and deprived. So removed from their mothers love, they 
cannot hear her call for sweet peace. 
  I reach for the long arm of wooden spender and sparks fly as I 
stir the deep glow of embers. My glance across the circle stones 
finds the altar and my mind again opens to a view. Arms 
outstretched and calling and many curled and kissing mothers 
breast. A song spoken and a prayer for an ideal so far from them 
that they are lost. While all the while in their mothers arms. 
  I set my pipe down and feel mother s cool firm life beneath my 
feet and her loving energy reach through me giving calm and 
assurance. One long breath and I bank the fire, wishing, hoping 
for the lost to hear mother whisper, please come home.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: North Carolina Gal, Merlyn
Date: Mon Sep 16 14:40:23 2002

Message:
NC Gal: As you can see, I'm as dyslexic as ever but at least 
it's all hopefully entertaining enough for you to take your mind 
off things for awhile. Sparing a thought for you and your 
family, in this obviously tense time. Best wishes.

Merlyn: I just happened upon a couple snipets of information on 
that subject, thought'd I'd send them your way. The said 
author's definition of 'englishness' was to his mind only in 
existence before 1066. I mean it's all relative, just depends 
upon how far one wants, or is able, to look I suppose. My point 
was that some of the Welsh (let's say in eastern Wales) might 
ironically be more 'english' than the English. Again depending 
on definition.

Interesting insight into your thoughts on the Driuds and tracing 
your family tree. Nice that you could trace it back as far as 
you did. Your rune assisted predictions add another string to 
the board's bow. Let's face it, anything helps in trying to 
figure just what's going to happen next, especially with Iraq. 
All I can do is rely on my hunches..and just hope for the best.

A Welsh comedian once visited and trained awhile with the Dallas 
Cowboys during Tom Landry's reign. They obviously wouldn't let 
the guy play, but he was allowed to run onto the field at the 
begining of a divisional game. In the full knowledge of what 
Om/cf's observation's were on rugby scrums (ahem)..in training 
with the team, it was obviously an alien concept to place one's 
hands in expectation between the legs of a 400lb linebacker 
crouched in a somewhat compromising position, at the start of a 
down. As as 'trainee' quarterback he duly obliged, and to cover 
his embarrassment, all he could think of to say at the moment 
was, "Make a wish!". 
    

From: Gerbil Master
To: All
Subject: Re-Greetings !!
Date: Mon Sep 16 16:42:12 2002

Message:
HOWDY FELLOW CAMPERS !!!!

Glad to see the board is still moving along.  I spent last week 
in Somerset PA.  I was here when 93 went down last year, spent 2 
days @ the site.  It was good to see fellow firefighters and 
other friends made during such a tragic time.  It helped the 
healing for all.

Los Lobos, I m sorry I disappointed you in not posting on the 
11th.  Some of us who visit and post on this board have lives 
too.  I m happy you have the time to act like a moron and snipe 
others while they aren t around.  Perhaps you and shitball 
should get together (or is that your other personality?)  
Perhaps with a little volunteer work and a lot more maturity in 
your life you may amount to something.


From: U.K.Citizen
To: Om/cf:
Date: Mon Sep 16 16:25:47 2002

Message:
Om/cf: The 'pen' can be mightier than the 'sword'...at least on 
occasion:).

Facts Finder: Echoing Om/cf's thoughts, hope all is well..and  
don't hesitate to post on the Israel/Palestine issue. It's 
obvious you do your research on that subject. No reflection on 
your fine efforts...just thought I'd mention that.


From: Merlyn
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Wales
Date: Mon Sep 16 16:42:21 2002

Message:
Eventually, given time I will visit the Preseli Mountains, and 
the lowlands into what were once England, the Isle of Mann and 
more given the gift of time. Glastonbury and the roll right 
stones, Stonehenge and all beckons. I have trod the Americas, 
Indian ruins, Yellowstone, and the Redwoods all they way up the 
Canadian Rockies to see the northern lights. Niagara falls, the 
Finger Lakes and all the way to the California coast, Las Vegas, 
Arizona and so on & on.

From: .44
To: UK Citizen
Date: Mon Sep 16 17:13:08 2002

Message:
Just wanted to relay my appreciation for your having 
consistently embarrassed Shitball!  It would appear that his or 
her being on the recieving end of some mental ju Jitsu might be 
just what he/she/it needs.  Thanks again!                        

From: North Carolina Gal
To: U.K. Citizen
Date: Mon Sep 16 17:41:27 2002

Message:
It's so good to see you back... Love to read your posts, Glad to 
see you haven't lost your humor. Hope things are well for you.. 
The board has really been popping.. Stick around this time.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Gerbil Master, Merlyn, .44
Date: Mon Sep 16 17:34:33 2002

Message:
Gerbil Master: I recall reading that same anecdote some years 
ago now in a satirical book of odd and humourous stories.  The 
one with the Gerbil. One couldn't possibly just make a story 
like that up. Odd as hell.

You must of empathised so much with your colleages in New York. 
Some British firefighters went over to N.Y. to pay their 
respects and show a little solidarity. Firefighters over here 
have been left with little choice but to consider strike action. 
It's unfortunate many have had to take two jobs, just to make 
ends meet. So I'm most sympathetic with their pay claim on a 
number of levels. Trouble is, troops required to man reserve 
army fire engines, may also be asked to go to war at some point 
soon. Hopefully our government can cough up some more cash to 
get this situation, that certainly none directly involved wants, 
resolved as quickly as possible. Due respect to you as a 
firefighter sir.

Merlyn: I'm sure you'd receive a friendly welcome in Wales, only 
I do advise you bring a raincoat!

.44 Welcome to the campfire, help yourself to some coffee. You 
should drop in this board more often. I think it's the best one 
on this site, but then I am bias. Glad to help btw. 
  

From: U.K.Citizen
To: North Carolina Gal
Subject: Hi'ya
Date: Mon Sep 16 18:37:08 2002

Message:
I was in fact only intending to be at the board for a couple of 
days. So much for that! Can't really make any promises, but I'll 
monitor the board from afar. You take care NC Gal, nice to hear 
from you:).

From: CC
To: All
Date: Mon Sep 16 19:41:18 2002

Message:
So the hunt begins.
Iraq has had years to hide his weapons.
Big mistake in my eyes,letting them admit the inspectors again.
We will not find anything.
When the inspectors are finished & give Saddam a clean report.
He will have the green light to start back up his underground 
operations.

From: Spy
To: Irak boy // U.K.Citizen
Date: Mon Sep 16 19:56:09 2002

Message:
Whoa---back from the wild. Let me tell ya--Sunday on the 
highways was the wildest. Motorcycle accident here; truck/ 
car accidents there. Autos zipping all over the place. Cops 
screaming through intersections,----man, was I glad to get 
home and let the brakes cool off. 
Was good to get out in the woods for a while though----, oh 
well ---back to da grind. 


Looking o'er the board, I noticed a couple of things----

Irak boy :

Regarding your comment; "..knowing this countrys have 
laws, and a own democracy." ; ----- is that correct ? I had no
ideal. 
And what is this "made for tv" japan/iraq film your trying ta 
sell us on ???
Anywho-----I found your post quite "funny".
Oh yeah---just one more quote--"OSAMA RULES..(if he really 
plane the attack?)"---------nice touch----good stand up 
comedy stuff.    thats "Kuantiko"-right--?
I'm sure we'll all be seeing you at a club near us pretty dam 
soon.--------( or is that "clubbed" ?)----

 U.K.Citizen:

You might have already been asked this (and I just plain 
missed it)-------but what is your take (at least around you) on 
the general public's reaction or feelings in England, towards 
the growing conflict with Iraq .
I heard about the mosque and the meetings in London.

Over here, I wish our congress would go ahead with "the 
resolution vote" before the UN vote and show just how 
resolved the country  is. 
Ahhhhhhh--the smell of politics.

From: Spy
To: Justice
Subject: "When I was a---"
Date: Mon Sep 16 20:01:14 2002

Message:
When I was in the service they had a legit poster about what 
ta do in case of a nuclear attack.
Number 10 or so was to "kiss your ass goodbye"

For some reason your warning post above reminded me of 
that.

From: Spy
To: North Carolina Gal
Subject: You and your loved ones
Date: Mon Sep 16 20:21:51 2002

Message:
Good ta see you 'round---and that would be also with the 
one time poster  North Carolina Guy I assume.
Hope your service (boy?--{can't remember} ) is doing fine.

From: Spy
To: C.C.
Date: Mon Sep 16 20:37:02 2002

Message:
As I was saying to U.K.Citizen in the above post---I'm also 
hearing of  protest in your nation.
If you would care to reply on your "take" of  things around you 
at this time (as laid out  above)----please do so.
Thanks for your time.

(If not--"hi" anyways :-)

From: Spy
To: an italian guy
Date: Mon Sep 16 21:37:12 2002

Message:
----last but not least; sir----I would like to hear from you as to 
what you feel your general populous around you thinks of an 
impending war with Iraq.

From: Gerbil Master
To: U.K . Citizen
Subject: THANK YOU !!!
Date: Mon Sep 16 21:51:33 2002

Message:
I appreciate your post.  

I have been a fire-fighter for 20 years.  I also had the 
opportunity during that time to run with the FDNY in the Bronx, 
Brooklyn, Battery Park, Harlem and Manhatten.  

FDNY has had a program where volunteers have had the opportunity 
to run with them for years.  

I knew 15 of the Fire fighters who lost their lives....and 2 of 
the Port Authority Police Officers.

For the UK to send respects and condolences is the ultimate in 
respect.

It doesn't matter where and/or whom....

May Firefighters/Emergency Medical/Law Enforcement people have 
the protection of God above.................

From: Gerbil Master
To: U.K . Citizen
Subject: THANK YOU !!!
Date: Mon Sep 16 21:51:33 2002

Message:
I appreciate your post.  

I have been a fire-fighter for 20 years.  I also had the 
opportunity during that time to run with the FDNY in the Bronx, 
Brooklyn, Battery Park, Harlem and Manhatten.  

FDNY has had a program where volunteers have had the opportunity 
to run with them for years.  

I knew 15 of the Fire fighters who lost their lives....and 2 of 
the Port Authority Police Officers.

For the UK to send respects and condolences is the ultimate in 
respect.

It doesn't matter where and/or whom....

May Firefighters/Emergency Medical/Law Enforcement people have 
the protection of God above.................

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Spy
Subject: Iraq
Date: Mon Sep 16 21:38:41 2002

Message:
I think opinions nationaly are split 50-50 on the whole, at 
least at the moment. Certainly, those I speak to generally 
reflect that. The U.K. Parliament will have a whole 3 hours in 
advance of a parliamentary debate on the issue, to actually read 
through the U.S. intelligence dossier on Iraq's weapons 
capability. As Mr.Blair's party is essentialy left-wing, the 
Trades Unions back that party financialy. They stated in 
Mr.Blair's absence their hostility for uni-lateral action 
against Iraq, and seemingly only grudging support for multi-
lateral action via the U.N. Those there, represent a good few 
million trades union workers. I'd say half his own M.P.s are at 
best sceptical about military action in all honesty. He'll have 
a tough time with his party in the months ahead, should war 
become more of a certainty.

Whatever the consensus in this one day debate, either for or 
against the use of force, Mr.Blair can again (deja vu; 
Afghanistan) if he wishes (and he probably does) proceed with 
the use of force anyway, regardles. The drafting of a U.N. 
resolution will probably sway at least some of the many 
undecided to eventually go along with military action along side 
the U.S. Speaking to those I know, again it's a fairly mixed 
reaction to war against Iraq. 

I do recognise from what point of view you come from, and baring 
in mind also the distinct right of centre slant this board and 
this site has. I also acknowledge as reflected by Justice's 
interesting post, that from the U.S., at least to a greater 
degree, attacking Iraq is a much more, cut and dried issue. 
Unsurprisingly, prior to posting I saw that Iraq stated it would 
give the U.N. unrestricted access to any relevent sites, (as 
always timed at the 11th hour). A delaying tactic one would 
imagine, that Mr.Bush has dismissed outright it seems. That of 
course, to those mistrustful of U.S. intention makes Mr.Bush 
look bad, as it's designed to. I think it's more than probable 
Saddam Hussein has access to most/all of the U.S. t.v. news 
networks, C.N.N. and the like, to help him gauge his next move. 
It's strongly rumoured he watches the History Channel (a.k.a the 
Hitler Channel) and that in an ironic and bizzare twist he's a 
big fan of....Churchill. Hmmm. Go figure..as you say in the U.S.

Saddam maybe many many things, but stupid is definately not one 
of them. I understand what you say about getting things sown up 
quickly in Congress, and I've no wish to dampen morale or 
anything. I just think, speaking personally, that the watchword 
here is 'caution'. He'll most certainly gain the edge 
politically during the course of events if mistakes are made, 
even though any coalition that eventually forms has the 
overwheming edge militarily. I'd say this most certainly has to 
be done by the numbers.    


From: Jim Stone
To: everyone
Subject: life
Date: Mon Sep 16 22:56:59 2002

Message:
Life give happieness only if you let it. When you deprive 
yourself of happieness you deprive yourself of life. When you 
deprive someone else of life you deprive THEM of life and thus 
happieness but only until they reach heaven and wait to be happy 
when they see you unhappy burning in hell. God chooses when to 
give life and death and when to give happieness. He gives death 
naturally. When you think that he is telling you to give death 
you are being an idiot because God is not afraid to give death 
because he also gives life and happieness. You should only die 
because of God who gives life and happieness and gives LOVE.

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Gerbil Master
Subject: Condolences
Date: Mon Sep 16 23:02:47 2002

Message:
Your post sure brings things home. I'm glad to be able to convey 
those sentiments here. To me, that's what all my rambling on 
here has been all about.

My sincere condolences, at the loss of your friends sir.

Best wishes.

U.K.Citizen

From:
To: Jim Stone
Date: Mon Sep 16 23:17:48 2002

Message:
git some help dingbat

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Mon Sep 16 23:58:27 2002

Message:
After posting to you, I then saw Iraq's offer to the U.N.
The game goes on; or as C.C. said above; "the hunt"---

I would have to say that the general vibe from those around 
me is to attack Iraq. All wish it could be resolved other 
ways--- but Sadam is very determined to survive-----WITH 
ALL THE TOYS IN PLACE.
It is all a question of time before he commits a serious 
attack----(or a more serious attack than 9-11) ; depending 
how you want to view it.
I agree with you about his access to the media, and I 
imagine it has improved over the years along with his ability 
to deal with the information. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Open mind/closed fist, Spy
Date: Tue Sep 17 01:03:16 2002

Message:
Om/cf:  Mirror image;  Whoever you have in the U.S., we can 
match you here in the U.K., no problem. al-Qaeda suspects..you 
name it. Yet another case in point, Labour MP George Galloway 
Saddam's greatest sympathiser, and self-appointed 
British 'ambassador' to Iraq. He maintains Hussein's simply 
misunderstood..uh..huh. After all mass murderers always 
are..right? So..any thoughts on your friend and mine..Scott 
Ritter?...

I'll probably, pack it up here now, and return to semi-
retirement. I get a few more hours sleep that way. Hope btw you 
strike it big on the lottery some day soon, you've sure deserved 
it, just for all the effort you've put in on this board alone! 
I'll look out for any reply. Cheers om/cf..

Spy: I kept my word, and hung on here until you came back. Good 
to catch up with you again my friend. Let's see what happens huh.
I'll drop by with a Christmas greeting or something, ooooh 
probably around.........Christmas time:) See ya.    

From: Fruity
To: Italian guy
Date: Tue Sep 17 03:14:51 2002

Message:
Italian guys suck their dad's cock while their mum is out whoring

From: CC
To: Spy
Date: Tue Sep 17 03:47:24 2002

Message:
Canadiaans have always hated war.
So it,s no surprise that alot of the population is against war.
Some of that comes from ignorance.
Our prime minister is against action without evidence.
These inspections are going to be a big easter egg hunt.
Only problem is that Saddam has had 4-5 years to hide his eggs.
The second that Saddam attempts to get in the way of the 
inspectors.
The U.S should be right there ready to attack.

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: view ofScott Ritter?
Date: Tue Sep 17 06:17:48 2002

Message:
Thats an easy one. The man is a money grubbing prostitute who 
may even have recieved payment from Iraq for smily face weapons 
reports after the inspectors were booted. A less than human life 
form who is using a serious world situation for personal gain. I 
guess 'scumbucket' would sum up dear Scnotty. 

From: Merlyn
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Iraq
Date: Tue Sep 17 08:04:21 2002

Message:
Knowing the political landscape and the timing involved, Saddam 
plays Bush like a trout in a pond. He waits as long as he can 
and then turns to the U.N. and plays the political climate. Once 
the deals went sour some many years ago, Saddam began the game 
of global opinion. 
  When I cast my runes, I too was puzzled by the prediction, in 
light of the political climate at the time. But I have learned 
that my runes are more likely to tell the truth than any 
politician, LOL! So I stick by what I "see" and have little 
doubt. There will be no war with Iraq. 
  America doesn't need another "Daddy Bush" blowing smoke up our 
ass. That speech yesterday about made me throw up! What a crock! 
A million acts of kindness is such a fluffy political thought. 
He is right in slapping congress for being a bunch of overpaid 
lazy CEO puppets. But lets face it, Bush wants his war and he 
wants it now while the vote is hot. By Christmas it will all 
cool down and there might be a democrat up his ass whistling 
Dixie!
  Truth is we don't "need" a war with Iraq. Truth is it IS a 
golden opportunity for EXXON, SHELL, AMCO, TEXACO and so on. 
Fact is fact, that is his true motive. To tell a country 
surrounded by hostile enemies to disarm is really showing Bush 
as the ignoramus he is. Nukes, Saddam does not need and the UN 
can help stop that development as they have in the past. But if 
Saddam disarms, it's going to be up to the U.S. to stop every 
country in the Middle East from walking in.
  We do need to finish one job before we start another anyway. 
Bush is just a bit too trigger-happy and all too eager to start 
a war he is not prepared to finish. We have got to get out of 
the business of constant oil sucking and begin to use our head. 
New technology can free us from the need of foreign oil. It is 
time that Congress works for us and not the oil companies. 
  There will be no war. Perhaps we need to make a new slogan.
       "BUSH LISTEN! NO WAR!"  
  

From: Spy
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Take care my friend----
Date: Tue Sep 17 08:41:48 2002

Message:

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Merlyn, Om/cf, Spy
Subject: Signing off..
Date: Tue Sep 17 08:55:51 2002

Message:
Merlyn, some good points there. We all owe it to ourselves to 
discuss this in openess, and to be aware of what we maybe 
getting ourselves into, be it good or bad.

Om/cf, a definative answer on Mr.Ritter, that's how I see it 
too,....at least at this moment in time!

Spy, Likewise sir, see you...and all here at 
Christmas...hopefully. 

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Joke of the day
Date: Tue Sep 17 10:29:48 2002

Message:
Dear Secretary-General, 

I have the honor to refer to the series of discussions held 
between Your Excellency and the Government of the Republic of 
Iraq on the implementation of relevant Security Council 
resolutions on the question of Iraq which took place in New York 
on 7 March and 2 May and in Vienna on 4 July 2002, as well as 
the talks which were held in your office in New York on 14 and 
15 September 2002, with the participation of the Secretary-
General of the League of Arab States. 

I am pleased to inform you of the decision of the Government of 
the Republic of Iraq to allow the return of the United Nations 
weapons inspectors to Iraq without conditions. 

The Government of the Republic of Iraq has responded, by this 
decision, to your appeal, to the appeal of the Secretary-General 
of the League of Arab States, as well as those of Arab, Islamic 
and other friendly countries. 

The Government of the Republic of Iraq has based its decision 
concerning the return of inspectors on its desire to complete 
the implementation of the relevant Security Council resolutions 
and to remove any doubts that Iraq still possesses weapons of 
mass destruction. This decision is also based on your statement 
to the General Assembly on 12 September 2002 that the decision 
by the Government of the Republic of Iraq is the indispensable 
first step towards an assurance that Iraq no longer possesses 
weapons of mass destruction and, equally importantly, towards a 
comprehensive solution that includes the lifting of sanctions 
imposed in Iraq and the timely implementation of other 
provisions of the relevant Security Council resolutions, 
including resolution 687(1991). T this end, the Government of 
the Republic of Iraq is ready to discuss the practical 
arrangements necessary for the immediate resumption of 
inspections. 

In this context, the Government of the Republic of Iraq 
reiterates the importance of the commitment of all Member States 
of the Security Council and the United Nations to respect the 
sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of 
Iraq, as stipulated in the relevant Security Council resolutions 
and article (II) of the Charter of the United Nations. 

I would be grateful if you would bring this letter to the 
attention of the Security Council members. 

Please accept, Mr. Secretary-General the assurances of my 
highest consideration. 

Dr. Naji Sabri 

Minister of Foreign Affairs 

Republic of Iraq

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Merlyn
Subject: Speechwriters
Date: Tue Sep 17 10:24:14 2002

Message:
One last point: You'll recall Bush Snr's "..a thousand points of 
light" line, which got a unanimous reaction of "eh??" Must be 
the same guy who wrote it. Only this time the fluffiness factor 
just went up 100 fold...for good measure!! Look forward speaking 
to you in December Merlyn, wordsmith extraordinaire! Take care. 

From: U.K.Citizen
To: Merlyn
Subject: Make that 1000 fold, sheesh..
Date: Tue Sep 17 10:46:35 2002

Message:

From: Merlyn
To: U.K.Citizen
Subject: Quotes
Date: Tue Sep 17 11:05:48 2002

Message:
"There will be a new world order" (Bush Sr.) Beware those who 
profit from war!

From: Get a grip
To:
Date: Tue Sep 17 11:08:32 2002

Message:
Drink of the day; Jack & coke on ice

From: Justice
To: Get a Grip
Subject: Drink of the Hour
Date: Tue Sep 17 11:27:09 2002

Message:
Unleashing the Green Fairy

2oz. Absinthe
6oz. Water
3 Tablespoons of sugar

Mix in all three ingredients and serve chilled.  Kick back a few 
and you will be chilled.

From:
To:
Date: Tue Sep 17 12:42:26 2002

Message:
'Oh, a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down...'

From: Get a grip
To: Justice
Subject: Irish Coffee
Date: Tue Sep 17 13:49:33 2002

Message:
1 shot sourmash Wiskey, 1/2 shot Kalua, fill cup with coffee & 
top with whipped cream. Gets the day going, or a good way to 
finish a good meal. 

From: shitball
To: get a grip (ON THIS)!!
Subject: beverage
Date: Tue Sep 17 15:21:51 2002

Message:
do you drink that before or after you suck someone off?

From: get a grip
To: shitball
Subject: beverage
Date: Tue Sep 17 15:37:07 2002

Message:
do you drink that before or after you suck someone off?

From: Get a grip
To: Shit Ball
Subject: Drinking habits
Date: Tue Sep 17 15:50:32 2002

Message:
No, I drink that after I shit in your mouth, run your ass over 
with my 4X4 and use your sorry ass as a Mexican pot hole patch. 

From: Board Goat
To: All Who Reside Here 24 -7
Subject: R U MY CUNT'S FILTHY MESSAGE BOARD
Date: Tue Sep 17 19:33:13 2002

Message:
Boys and Girls it appears that R U MY CUNT? U KNOW WHO, 
POLLIWOG, Et al ad nauseam have taken over another board. They 
are attempting to shut down the following message board of a 
popular Stones tribute band called STICKY FINGERS at 
www.stickyfingersband.com   PLEASE GO THERE AND TRY TO HELP. The 
boys have gotten out of control again, they behaved themselves 
for 9-11 and it was probably too much for the fellas and now 
they are going to shut down the above board.  PLEASE 
INTERVENE!!!!RSVP.

From: Board Goat
To: Wally, et al ad nausausem
Subject: YOUR FILTH ON STICKY FINGERS BOARD
Date: Tue Sep 17 19:37:51 2002

Message:
Have you no shame?  People that want to read your sick ramblings 
will find the message board directly under the photos of the 
Sticky Fingers Band.  There is a woman on there claiming to have 
her ass eaten while on her menstrual period.  It REEKS of your 
filthy handiwork.  I am now busting Wally, R U MY CUNT? 
Polliwog, etc. That sticky fingers band will be shut down within 
48 hours because of your sick ramblings and succeeding in taking 
down another board!  Have you no morals!!!!!

From: Facts Finder
To: Om/Cf, NC Gal, U K Citizen, Merlyn, Missin,.44, Justice and all.
Date: Tue Sep 17 20:09:53 2002

Message:

From: Facts Finder
To: Om/Cf, NC Gal, U K Citizen, Merlyn, Missin,.44, Justice and all
Subject: Greetings
Date: Tue Sep 17 20:22:25 2002

Message:
Hi, everyone, Hope I did not miss anyone out. Has been away on 
Holiday in Taiwan for a week. Nice to hear from those missing 
for a long time again.

Have a great week ahead and God Bless you all.

From: om/cf
To: U.K.Citizen
Date: Tue Sep 17 20:07:52 2002

Message:
Take care if you are on hiatus. As I mentioned to another 
citizen of the U.K. on another of these boards, I fear something 
terrorist related will happen there before it does in the U.S. 
I've never claimed to be psychic (psycho, well hell yes on 
occasion!) but I've had a strange feeling about this. Anyways, 
you take care down in Londontown.

From: Facts Finder
To: Habibi and awm
Date: Tue Sep 17 20:25:23 2002

Message:
First question, do you agree with what has happened in Sept 11 
2002?

Do you agree with what Osama has been training and planning to 
do?

Do you agree with what the radicals Muslims that has carried out 
attacks on civilian all around the world?

Do you agree with what Saddam is planning to built?

Do you agree with what some Muslims Iman calling for Jihad 
against the Non-believers.?

Do you agree with what Hamas or Al Alsa is doing?

Do you agree with what the kidnapping for ransom by the Abu 
Sayyaf in Philippine.

Do you agreed the oppression of women?

Do you agreed that all this is done by command of Allah?

There are many more points on conruption and others but I have 
to go. will come back to you later today.

If you agreed with all these and more. You are not Muslims and 
so too is you palestinian boyfriend.


From: Fact Finder
To: Om/Cf
Subject: Hi
Date: Tue Sep 17 20:42:44 2002

Message:
Sorry for not replying, as mention I have been away in Taiwan 
for 1 week. Came back yesterday. Lots of work to be done. Will 
get back to you later in the day. Take care. Have a wonderful 
day or night. God Bless.

From: shitball
To: facts finder
Subject: fuck u and "hi"
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:14:41 2002

Message:
you done shrimping others?  you are nothing but a fucking asshole
i'll bet u r a dune coon.  got a problem with that?  u must be 
british 2.

From: Fact Finder
To: the shitball
Subject: low life person
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:32:51 2002

Message:
Saw a interesting thing today. It was a rather disturbing thing 
to see. The person was as a dirt lover and eating beetles from 
dog excrement. I was an amazed person as I asked his name. He 
looked at me and as he said his name was shitball. Perhaps that 
is you? Peace to you if this is how you are. I feel sorry for 
you and of your family. God Bless.

From: shitball
To: fact finder
Subject: ASSHOLE
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:34:00 2002

Message:
yea right u were in taiwan.  done doing whore's and getting meds 
4 da clap?  fuckin'liar

mommy has a suck mark on her neck from the asshole she met at 
the bar.

piece of shit...............................................

From: shitball
To: all including NC Gal Bitch
Subject: An obvious.......
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:40:17 2002

Message:
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Cracker Motherfucker.............Brit Whore..............FUCK U 
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ALL !!!!!!

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Cracker Motherfucker.............Brit Whore..............FUCK U 
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Cracker Motherfucker.............Brit Whore..............FUCK U 
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Nigger....Jew Fuck........Dune Coon.......Sand Nigger....White 
Cracker Motherfucker.............Brit Whore..............FUCK U 
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Nigger....Jew Fuck........Dune Coon.......Sand Nigger....White 
Cracker Motherfucker.............Brit Whore..............FUCK U 
ALL !!!!!!


From: .44
To: Facts Finder
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:38:24 2002

Message:
Hope you enjoy your vacation.  I must tell you that I'm 
envious!  My mean and cruel boss won't let me get away for a 
vacation until December.  I haven't missed a single day of work 
for seemingly forever.  At this rate I'll be taking flex time 
just to eat lunch!  Also, I saw Shitball's posts.  I imagine him 
to be some scrawny, ugly loner who nobody likes for the obvious 
reasons.  Probably u know who in drag!  What do you want to bet 
that he's the one who used to get beat up every day after school 
while the girls all laughed at him for being such a puss?            
        

From: shitball
To: all
Subject: note
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:46:08 2002

Message:
who's laughing now assholes?

my dick is now in nc gal's ass.....and it's tighter than her cunt

From: .44
To: Shitball
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:47:04 2002

Message:
Hi there wuss!  If you read my earlier post to Facts finder, 
I'm sure it will make you feel lonesome for the good ol' days.  
BTW, what'sa man of your age doing listening to those boy bands?     
                     

From: .44
To: UK Citizen
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:51:53 2002

Message:
My God.  You were right!  It IS fun slapping Shitball around 
after a bad day!  It could be a bit worse, though, judging from 
his schizophrenic posts!  Hey Facts Finder, I sure hope that 
those dung beetles that Shitball was eating weren't on the 
endangered species list.  Else we would certainly have to release 
the wrath of PETA on the poor little quivering mass of would-be 
humanity that he is.               

From: om/cf
To: Fact Finders
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:26:00 2002

Message:
Now then, you should be thinking of rest, not work, after a 
vacation if all went as planned! Well, that was my policy in the 
younger days. Somewhere along the line I've aquired way to much 
responsability. Im not sure where I heard this, but its been a 
long standing funny joke for me: God only gives you as much as 
you can handle. Well then he must think Im freekin' Superman!!

From: Get a grip
To: spitball
Subject: sorry fucker
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:56:30 2002

Message:
Man! low ain't the word 4 u! U make the anil slime of a walrus 
look smart! Attacking Fact Finder, what a low day eh? Perhapse 
with a little spit you can dream tonight..

From: om/cf
To: shitbrain
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:59:09 2002

Message:
Oh my god, the mighty shitball is angry. Quick, someone toss him 
a turd. UMM, all mighty shitball, I didn't fit into any of your 
catagories. I guess Im ok by you? Close on the white cracker, 
though>>>>>Fuck You<<<<<

From: shitball
To: asshole lovers
Subject: see?
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:15:24 2002

Message:

From: shitball
To: asshole lovers
Subject: see?
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:15:24 2002

Message:
gottcha assholes!!!!!!!!!

what a fuckin joke you people are.....................

Gotta spine?

Put your real email address on this site.

I doubt if any of you cowards have the balls to do it............

GROW UP MOTHERFUCKERS !!!

From: Spy
To: C.C.
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:23:04 2002

Message:
Hey C.C.--thanks for the reply----.

I would have to say that most Americans hate war also. I 
know I do !!!
However I fear that we (the west) will eventually be attack by 
such a proven and determined madman.
Om/Cf says he fears the U.K. is more of a target now than 
the U.S.
I think Tony Blair may see this also. I feel Blair sees a 
serious threat in England.
The actions (or inactions) we take today "may be just in the 
nick of time" or badly timed.
History has shown us that.
Who knows ??? --------------

From: om/cf
To: shitface
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:27:59 2002

Message:
OH NO! Would you be as warrior-like to attack me by e-mail? 
Thats some balls you got swinging in the breeze there!

From: .44
To: om/cf
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:35:32 2002

Message:
Just how strong would a wind have to be in order to move a tiny 
little raisin sack like his?                    

From: .44
To: Shitball
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:38:01 2002

Message:
I tried reaching you at bitchslapshitball@aol.com, but you 
refused to take the mail.  Can you give us your address so we cal 
ALL enjoy slapping you around some more?  We're all out to get 
you, you know.                

From: om/cf
To: .44
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:38:16 2002

Message:
Possibly the hot breath of the little puppy shitball found near 
the homeless center will be sufficient.

From: .44
To: om/cf
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:45:53 2002

Message:
LOL!  I just got onto Yahoo to look up Shitball.  Guess what?  
There's a (>GAG<) boy band by that name.  figures, doesn't it?     
                

From: om/cf
To: .44
Date: Tue Sep 17 22:52:52 2002

Message:
Did Justin Timberlake dump Britany for Shitball? Inquireing 
minds want to know!

From: .44
To: om/cf
Date: Tue Sep 17 23:06:16 2002

Message:
I just checked my email.  Someone from Kenya named Opokuwari 
(the fourth son of a prince, I'll have you know) tells me that if 
I relay to him my checking acct. number, he'll gladly deposit 
several million dollars into it, since his country's laws won't 
let him keep it.  Did you have any idea that Shitball lives in 
Kenya?  I didn't.                           

From: Walter
To: shitboy
Date: Wed Sep 18 00:19:02 2002

Message:
Shitball telling people to grow up...........LOL!!!!!
That's funny as hell!
 Put YOUR e-mail up,you walking junkpile!LOL!!!
 

From: Facts Finder
To: Shitball
Subject: Hi
Date: Wed Sep 18 00:42:37 2002

Message:
Your post
you done shrimping others?  you are nothing but a fucking asshole
i'll bet u r a dune coon.  got a problem with that?  u must be 
british 2.

And someone using my name to reply you
Saw a interesting thing today. It was a rather disturbing thing 
to see. The person was as a dirt lover and eating beetles from 
dog excrement. I was an amazed person as I asked his name. He 
looked at me and as he said his name was shitball. Perhaps that 
is you? Peace to you if this is how you are. I feel sorry for 
you and of your family. God Bless.

My reply
First if you are here long enough you know I would not say 
things like the above to anyone even if they curse me or swear 
at me. It doesn't hurt me at all. Someone must have felt that 
you had shot the wrong guy who will never shoot back and take 
the liberty shoot you on my behalf.

Anyway, I just hope that you know what you write and what is 
happening in the world today. Peace be with you.






From: Facts Finder
To: Habibi
Date: Wed Sep 18 00:57:13 2002

Message:
I totally agree with AshleyA. How can you expect the American 
just to sit and see another attack. How can they not get angry 
with Arab since the whole radicals Arab or Muslims is always 
planning to killed or destroy American civilians and property.

Why blame the Airport and Imigration all over the world 
including Isreal for the thorough check on your people. These 
are all your own people doing. Everyone want to travel freely 
with any hassle but how can we do that, when we know a group of 
Arab is on board with us. How do we know they are the good one 
and the bad one. Or are they all bad? Nobody is discriminating 
the Arab. It is because of all those people who believe in Jihad 
and that one day the whole world will belong to Islam that is 
actually hurting Islam. Why can't the good Islam stand and fight 
all these extremists or are they willing to do that. Or the are 
actually supporting such causes.

If you refer to my many previous post you know what I mean. 
These people are not religious people as you want them to be. 
They are just power greedy people. Look at those Muslims 
coutries. Why are they still killing each other? Ask yourselves.

The world want peace, Our country want peace, you may want 
peace, I definitely want peace but all these can only be 
achieved by respecting others belief, races, language, property 
and God. If the muslims still believe that Allah will help them 
change the non-believers by what the extremists and radical are 
doing then they are very wrong. Religions are not to be force. 
If religion are force it is call an empire and an empire is only 
rule by man made rule not God's. Religion are to be spread by 
individual example and behaviour. What do you think the world 
think about the behaviour and example of the extremists and 
radicals muslims, killing innocent civilians, beheading kidnap 
victims who don't even know them. Crashing plane on civilian 
buildings. Who are they? Aren't they muslims?

From: Facts Finder
To: Habibi
Date: Wed Sep 18 01:46:37 2002

Message:
Nobody can stop you from practising your belief. Just do what 
you think. As I say if you believe all those think I say on my 
post to you about what is happening in the world is right and 
just. Even a single one. Then you wrong.

Don't be blinded by love. As you mention, you are young. It 
seems to me that your boyfriend is able to convince you into  
his religion. I cannot say much about him but I just hope that 
he is one of those who can stand up for Islam in the correct way.

Insha Allah, or God Bless.

From: Facts Finder
To: All
Date: Wed Sep 18 01:51:57 2002

Message:
Some one mention that there was no palestinian before. West Bank 
was known as Judea. Yes correct and also incorrect. Isreal has 
longer history in the Holy Land long long time ago.

Gaza strip was known as Philistin. I do not know whether the 
word Palestine came from this place if so than the Palestinian 
land is only in Gaza. Golliath the Giant is Philistin.

Isreal make a big mistake after getting back their land by 
giving most of the Biblical holy site in West bank to the 
Palestinian. Yes, Bethelehem, Jerusalem included. The Muslims do 
not have any accept a mosque built much later. Muslims holy land 
is in Saudi Arabia. Can you imagine a big group of Christian 
having a big piece of Land in Saudi where Mecca is located and 
killing those who goes there to worship. What will happen to 
this group. Hmmm?

From: Facts Finder
To: Om/Cf , .44
Date: Wed Sep 18 02:03:38 2002

Message:
I was in Taiwan to attend my boss grandson birthday and because 
of my health I have not been to Taiwan for the past 3 years. So 
lots of friends were glad to see me alive and kicking. Had 2 
round of golf and lots of drinking and eating.

My boss was so kind. My whole expenses were all paid for, 
including Air ticket and hotel and I was driven around in Benz 
320.

They are very nice people who took good care of me when I was 
unable to work. So now I have to work hard to give them back the 
kindness.


From: Facts Finder
To: All
Date: Wed Sep 18 02:12:43 2002

Message:
I knew it long ago that Iraq will back down but is a delaying 
tactics. Yes. Look at Saddam speech 3 weeks ago. He was so 
aggressive now his chicken out.

Prince of Saudi. Told you last month that once America has gain 
international support, the Saudi will be friend again. What a 
hypocrite.

Now all are cooperating with USA, why? They know that if Iraq is 
conquered, Iran will be next follow by whoever that is 
treatening the world.

Iraqi foreign minister Tariq Aziz is using interview with the to 
pull other coutries, espicially China and Russia to their side.

So now President Bush have another headache. How to overthrow 
Saddam since he complied with UN. I tell you all this are well 
plan desperate move by Saddam to stay in power and buy time to 
achieve his cause.


From: Facts Finder
To: All
Date: Wed Sep 18 02:25:06 2002

Message:
Mind works faster than hand. So many words missing, mispell and 
wrongly word. Anyway hope you all understand.

God Bless you all

From: CC
To: Spy
Date: Wed Sep 18 05:45:28 2002

Message:
I agree with om/cf too.
I think terrorists know how hard it will be to get into the 
states.So there next attacks will be on American sites abroad. 
The terrorists will attempt to scare countries away from helping 
in the war against terror.
There is alot of Muslim extremism in Britain.
So i wouldn,t be surprised if they were attacked.

From: Get a grip
To: The little shitball
Subject: kind of like paintball, always shooting off and ending up splated
Date: Wed Sep 18 08:15:33 2002

Message:
My guess, your address is iamafaggot@hotmail.com/ The only thing 
you "got" is a tumor between your ears. 
  I was reminded of you last time I took a shit and had corn for 
dinner the night before. So you see you are not forgotten, so 
don't feel so insecure!

From: U.K.Citizen
To: shitball
Date: Wed Sep 18 08:19:35 2002

Message:
Picking on the likes of Facts Finder and North Carolina Gal is 
yet more proof, as if more were needed, of just what a coward 
you actually are. You'd sell your own soul, if you had one, just 
to get a reaction out of people. Good to know those such as 
om/cf and .44 are here to give you a bit of a slap now and again 
in my absense. 

I've got your number, and you know it. Your asking who's 
laughing now...yet again? What a stupid question. Me of course.

See ya, Gramps.
 

From: Salamat
To: Facts Finder
Date: Fri Mar 22 11:03:36 2002

Message:
Are you a Filipino? I sure hope so. I'm not. I lived in the 
Philippines for one year as an NGO and now i work for a 
human rights organisation. I'm going back there in a few 
months and i'm going to live there for seven years in 2004.

So what do you think about the American intervention or 
Balikatan? I hate it. Did you know that a previous military 
invasion in the Philippines killed over a milion Filipino's. The 
past is the past but their purposs now is not very gentle. Do 
you know their secret agenda? Did you know that the 
muslims in the south of the Philippines are cheated like 
indians in America for years? 

Many Moro people don't support Nur Suari. The ones that do 
prabobly don't know about wild parties in Manila. I know the 
Moro people from Cotabato, Gen San, Zamboanga, Marawi 
and many other places. i feel sorry for them. i feel sorry 
foreveryone who died in the clashes from last years. I was 
there in last may. I can'y speak for all but many eople want 
peace. That is how Filipino's are right?

Salamat, 

From: Don't know do ya'
To:
Date: Wed Sep 18 10:40:16 2002

Message:
Shitball was "Daddy" in the past, really "gramps"

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Payback is a bitch
Date: Wed Sep 18 11:48:14 2002

Message:
WASHINGTON   U.S. special forces and the CIA are preparing to 
move against Al Qaeda elements believed hiding in the region 
around the Horn of Africa, possibly sending troops to capture 
fighters in Usama bin Laden's ancestral homeland of Yemen, 
officials said Wednesday. 


Eight hundred U.S. special forces have been moved to Djibouti, 
the tiny African nation facing Yemen, defense officials said. 

The amphibious assault ship Bellieu Wood also is sailing in 
waters between Yemen and Africa and could be used as a platform 
for troops throughout the region, one official said. 

The deployments are aimed at positioning people and equipment 
for any mission in the region, the U.S. Central Command said. 

Officials declined to say whether an operation in Yemen or 
elsewhere in the region was imminent. 

The Associated Press reported over the weekend that the Bush 
administration was working to step up anti-terror efforts in 
Yemen, believed a longtime base for some suspected Al Qaeda and 
a sanctuary for others who fled the war in Afghanistan. 

It also was in Yemen that 17 American sailors were killed when 
the USS Cole was bombed as it refueled in 2000 in the port of 
Aden. 

The CIA, which has its own paramilitary units, is in charge of 
the possible mission in Yemen, officials said. But a Pentagon 
team has been in the Middle Eastern country, also planning 
missions to help the Yemeni government go after suspected 
terrorists. 

It was unclear whether the Yemenis would agree to the use of 
U.S. forces in their country, where anti-American Muslim 
militants have staged a number of bombings to try to derail the 
war on terror and militias in remote tribal areas challenge 
central authority. 

But forces at the ready in Djibouti include the secret Delta 
group that specializes in hunting and snatching suspects from 
other country's territory, ABC News reported Tuesday night. 

Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld in the summer asked 
commanders to look at ways to push the hunt for Al Qaeda beyond 
Afghanistan, possibly through greater use of special forces 
commandos. 

Special forces played a lead role in the war in Afghanistan and 
were sent to Pakistan to help find Al Qaeda figures who fled 
over the border. Rumsfeld is considering giving the Special 
Operation Command expanded control and responsibilities in the 
global war on terror. 

From:
To: shitball
Date: Wed Sep 18 11:52:04 2002

Message:
shitball was a dickhead in the past......wait he still is.

From: Facts Finder
To: Selamat.
Subject: Thank you
Date: Wed Sep 18 12:45:31 2002

Message:
Hi Salamat. Mean thank you in Tagalog. I am not philipino. I can 
understand a few philipino language. What is happening is 
phillipines is sad. There are a lot of talent in philippine and 
resources but because of the radicals, nobody dare to invest in 
Phillipine. The goverment is trying hard to promote but who dare 
to invest. Same as Indonesia. How to invite people to your house 
when the people feel that the are not safe.

Can you imagine bringing your children to your friend house and 
having them capture, with ransom on their head by your friends 
relative. Would you bring them there? Or Asking your friend to 
help you start a business with his financial aid without a 
gurantee that his investment is safe without anyone kidnapping 
of his manager. So the only way to improve philippine economy is 
to improve the safety of foreigners, coruption, the 
responsiblity of every male philippino and the  most important 
the future of the philippino's children.

Again I stress I am not phillipino. I am a guy who know many 
Philippinos. This is not a board to discuss phillipine but maybe 
Abu Sayyaf. What do you think about these group of people.

Misuari has his chance to run the Mindanao with US$1 Billion 
given by the goverment. What happen?

Ingat Pare. Mean Take Care my brother.


From: Facts Finder
To: Selamat
Date: Wed Sep 18 13:14:59 2002

Message:
So what do you think about the American intervention or 
Balikatan? I hate it. Did you know that a previous military 
invasion in the Philippines killed over a milion Filipino's. The 
past is the past but their purposs now is not very gentle. Do 
you know their secret agenda? Did you know that the 
muslims in the south of the Philippines are cheated like 
indians in America for years? 


Where is Balikatan. If is is at the southern Philippine where 
the Abu Sayyag is, than I all for it. The American should help 
the help or find the truth behind all these crime.

Can you find the article that the American involvement killed 1 
million phillipino. I would really like to read this. What 
secret agenda? 

I would say nobody is cheated. You have to create a place where 
many people would like to visit and also invest for you to be 
able to survive. It is just like businees. I just hope the 
muslims around the world realize this. If you do not have oil as 
God give. You have to create other attraction, to be able to 
survive in this wonderful world of ours. Lets just say---Heal 
the world. God bless you all.

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Subject: AlQueda planning to bomb McDonalds
Date: Wed Sep 18 13:33:56 2002

Message:
In a new low for low lifes we have confirmed AlQueda plots to 
bomb McDonalds, Burger King and Wendy's. 

, police have announced a series of arrests of Islamic militants 
believed linked to attacks on Christian and Western interests in 
Pakistan. 

They include suspects accused of bombing the U.S. Consulate in 
Karachi in June, plotting to kill Musharraf in April and of 
planning attacks on Western fast-food outlets in Karachi. 


From: Justice
To: Get a Grip
Date: Wed Sep 18 13:56:55 2002

Message:
Remember when the locals torched the KFC in Pakistan right after 
9/11?  I got pretty pissed about that.  I love KFC.  Damn those 
Paki radicals!

From: a european (continental) citizen
To: All british and american people
Subject: British costumes
Date: Wed Sep 18 14:01:50 2002

Message:
Man, it seems like the British Prime Minister is again following 
the Cowboy Bush like a little dog. Are the British so weak? 
Aren't they strong enough to be just a bit independent? I would 
be interested if Blair is also sharing his wife... Some of you 
are certainly british... tell me why you prefer the sensless 
american attitudes and follow them to Iraq instead of thinking 
about the suggestions of other european countries?
Maybe Britain will find the way back over the channel the 
european policy.

From: mum
To: the board
Date: Wed Sep 18 16:00:53 2002

Message:
There you go again european incontinent citizen, trying to hurt 
my feelings. I told you to stay out of mum's knicker drawer but 
you didnt listen did you. Now you are going to be punished young 
man! I want everyone on the board here to know that my son is a 
32 year old transvestitie who still lives with his mother. 
Honestly, he won't look for work because he's terribly afraid of 
the neighbors seeing him in a wig and dress. They already know 
about him because I informed them, just as I'm informing you, 
because my son needs to be revealed for the pervert that he is. 
He scares away the little girls in the park when they see him 
looking out of the parlor window at them!                  

From: Get a grip
To: Justice
Subject: The KFC
Date: Wed Sep 18 16:41:58 2002

Message:
The new fast food chain opened in Pakistan today. It is all the 
rage as the Burka covered women go for carry out. It is called 
OFG, (Osama Fried Goat) and it has a picture of Osama in a tall 
turban flipping goat patties.  

From: Justice
To: a european (continental) citizen
Date: Wed Sep 18 16:51:19 2002

Message:
Just curious.  What country do you live in?

From: Justice
To: Get a Grip
Subject: OFG
Date: Wed Sep 18 16:54:18 2002

Message:
That's funny.  I might have to bust out Photoshop and 
superimpose Osama's picture on a bucket of KFC and change the 
lettering.

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: As the Dradel turns
Date: Wed Sep 18 16:49:10 2002

Message:
"Dammit Saddam, what if they find me here?" "It is ok Osama, 
those inspectors couldn't find their own underwear." "Well I 
think you are a wuss! Letting George Bush have inspectors back 
in Iraq" "What do you want? You know all we have is a few rocket 
launchers strapped to some camels and a reject biplane from the 
red baron" "I don't care! We must fight to the death!" "Ha 
Listen to you Osama, you have fled the Afghanistan like a 
scaulded goat, at the very first sign of war!" "Yes it is for me 
to hide and plan, that is what I am, the great planner" "Shit 
Osama, Your plans never work!, You were supposed to have the 
plane hit the white house first and kill George Bush, then we 
wouldn't be in this mess! It is all your fault!" "Saddam you 
have no room to talk! now I am stuck in Bagdad with a price on 
my head higher than the trade center full of Jews!" "Now that 
you mention it... that is a lot of money..." "Saddam! You 
INFIDEL! How could you think of such a thing??!!" "Gaurds! 
Gaurds! Seize Osama! Take him to the dungen! He will bring a 
fine price!" "Saddam SADDAM! YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS! ALLAH WILL 
NEVER FORGIVE YOU!" "Too bad Osama, I'm not a Muslim anyway, I 
should have told you, but you would not listen anyway." "Saddam 
you are a back stabbing evil tyrant!" "Thank you Osama! coming 
from you I take that as a great complement, gaurds..take him 
away!" "My son will avenge me Saddam! you won't get away with 
this!"
  Mean while back in Isreal.................

From:
To: Edited
Date: Wed Sep 18 17:02:06 2002

Message:
"Dammit Saddam, what if they find me here?" "It is ok Osama, 
Those inspectors couldn't find their own underwear." "Well I 
think you are a wuss! Letting George Bush have inspectors back 
in Iraq" "What do you want? You know all we have is a few rocket 
launchers strapped to some camels and a reject biplane from the 
red baron" "I don't care! We must fight to the death!" "Ha 
Listen to you Osama, you have fled the Afghanistan like a 
scalded goat, at the very first sign of war!" "Yes it is for me 
to hide and plan, that is what I am, the great planner" "Shit 
Osama, Your plans never work!, You were supposed to have the 
plane hit the white house first and kill George Bush, then we 
wouldn't be in this mess! It is all your fault!" "Saddam you 
have no room to talk! now I am stuck in Baghdad with a price on 
my head higher than the trade center full of Jews!" "Now that 
you mention it... that is a lot of money..." "Saddam! You 
INFIDEL! How could you think of such a thing??!!" "Guards! 
Guards! Seize Osama! Take him to the dungeon! He will bring a 
fine price!" "Saddam SADDAM! YOU WILL PAY FOR THIS! ALLAH WILL 
NEVER FORGIVE YOU!" "Too bad Osama, I'm not a Muslim anyway, I 
should have told you, but you would not listen anyway." "Saddam 
you are a back stabbing evil tyrant!" "Thank you Osama! coming 
from you I take that as a great complement, guards..take him 
away!" "My son will avenge me Saddam! you won't get away with 
this!"
  Mean while back in Israel.................


From: Walter
To: Justice
Date: Wed Sep 18 18:25:15 2002

Message:
Jihad got ya down?Well..........
Comon a down ta Osama's!
  Goat soooooo good you'll want to eat it with BOTH hands!

From: Spy
To: a european (continental) citizen
Date: Wed Sep 18 18:57:27 2002

Message:
Just maybe Blair sees all of the "little Islamic terrorist 
dogs{:@( that have infiltrated his country. Maybe Blair 
remembers how the european (continental) citizens couldn't 
defend themselfs against a rabid bunny rabbit let alone 
Hitler and his escalating war machine.
Maybe Blair don't want such a madman (such as Sadam)  to 
get out of hand as it did with Hitler, dam near losing their 
country (as did the european (continental) citizens). Maybe 
the european (continental) citizens should remember why 
they can profess to be free.   

From:
To: Spy
Date: Wed Sep 18 19:27:08 2002

Message:
Learn history.

Yes thanks to the efforts of milions of Russians

From: OSAMA BINLADEN
To: AMERICA
Subject: 911
Date: Tue Sep 17 21:54:46 2002

Message:
i'm gonna bomb you fuckers

From: Gerbil Master
To: UK Citizen
Subject: LOL !!!!
Date: Wed Sep 18 19:36:14 2002

Message:
Good snipe on the shitball moron.  It never ceases to amaze me 
how people can be such assholes.

I appreciated your kind words several days ago.  I will be 
returning to the Flight 93 site tomorrow.  It certainly is 
different than one year ago.  The memorial is wonderful.  I hope 
others will take the time when they get into Pennsylvania to see 
this site.  The miner rescue site is only 10 miles away also.  
Goes to show how people come together when shit hits the fan.

Thanks Again !!!!!

From: Spy
To: nameless poster
Subject: Blair is the keyword in above post---England so to speak.
Date: Wed Sep 18 19:35:30 2002

Message:
Learn to read.

From: om/cf
To: a european (continental) citizen
Date: Wed Sep 18 19:32:05 2002

Message:
You stated:

"Man, it seems like the British Prime Minister is again 
following the Cowboy Bush like a little dog. Are the British so 
weak? Aren't they strong enough to be just a bit independent?"

It would seem to me by NOT going along the with typical European 
strategy of shutting up and cowering down to terrorists and mad-
men, the U.K. is being extremely independent. I tip my ten-
gallon hat to them! 

P.S.: I think, if nothing else, cowboy Bush is not likly to 
enter into a wife-swapping agreement with the P.M. Clinton on 
the other hand....
 

From: Spy
To: om/cf
Subject: "Continental Breakfast"
Date: Wed Sep 18 20:18:57 2002

Message:
Such a fancy sound for such a meager meal.

"More coffee pleaaasseeee------"

From: om/cf
To: Spy
Date: Wed Sep 18 20:37:40 2002

Message:
French toast, I suspect. :-) Quiet Walter, we're eating!

From: Spy
To: om/cf
Date: Wed Sep 18 20:57:03 2002

Message:
Man---all I ever got was a jelly roll and one cup of black  
coffee (cream and sugar extra).

From: shitball
To: gerbil asshole
Date: Wed Sep 18 21:05:36 2002

Message:
gerbils have limp dicks


and fuck all of you

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Wed Sep 18 21:00:05 2002

Message:
A Continental Breakfast is not a meal............
 Blair wants a fuckin Friend!What else has he got?France? Where 
the highlight of the day is a stream of water shot up your ass?
Who but Bush can help him if/when the extremist Muslims decide to 
fuck up things over there?

And by the way,no wife-swapping with Clinton either.....Hillary 
doesn't have normal genitalia;she has one of those little 
squeak-toys that you throw across the living room floor for the 
dog to play with......

From: Some Athiest
To: Non- Athiests
Subject: Religion is bad
Date: Wed Sep 18 21:14:33 2002

Message:
Hey look if everyone was athiest none of this would have happened.  
I think anyone who is not athiest should become one, athiests 
don't have to worry about whats gonna happen next or where there 
gonaa go.  

From: Walter
To: Some Athiest
Date: Wed Sep 18 21:21:22 2002

Message:
Yeah,and if we could all just love everyone,no matter what 
color,creed,or nationality they are,and just try to help everyone 
be the best they can be,and just give everyone a little hug when 
they're feeling down,or maybe every once in a while,just out of 
the blue,sending one of those"Thinking of You"Hallmark cards,well 
maybe....then there wouldn't be any more war,everyone would be 
happy,and like...bluebirds would fly around with little banners 
that said"LOVE"on them,and we could get back to the serious 
business of burning incence and wearing headbands,and of course 
stealing each other's BIC lighters.

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Subject: T. Blair
Date: Wed Sep 18 21:23:21 2002

Message:
I agree, and there may soon come a day when the arm-chair 
peaceniks in Europe will agree also. 

Hey, did you see that picture of Chelsea in an "aroused state", 
right nip standing proudly at attention? LOL!! Seems like she 
favors dad more than mom!

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Wed Sep 18 21:36:52 2002

Message:
A..........nip off the old block!!!!
I tried not to say it,but you set me up......LOL!

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: As the Dradel turns.......
Date: Wed Sep 18 21:19:00 2002

Message:
Meanwhile back at Arafat s new back room palace. "I swear! it in 
that these acts of terror against my friends in Israel are not 
my fault and we do not want to be bombed back to the beginning 
of time..er I mean, we are fighting terrorism! Mr. Colin you 
must believe me" "Look Arafat! You have been feeding us this 
same line and every day the Jews keep ending up, sliced up and 
stuffed in trashcans! @#$%##@! what am I supposed to tell 
G.W.?!" "It is all family disputes, nothing I can do Mr. 
Colin". "Well Arafat I have had it with you! I am gong to tell 
G.Duba that we will cut Sharon free again for another raid." "No 
Colin No, not Sharon again, last time we lost our Kentucky fried 
Chicken and our McDonalds! Now just where are the rich 
Palestinians supposed to eat? These Jews own everything! We are 
down to just one Taco Bell! And Muslims make real bad Mexicans!!"
"Give me back my Mag light Arafat, I have to go to Iraq and talk 
to Saddam, He says he has Osama and wants to claim the reward! 
That evil, insane excuse for a sand snake would turn in his own 
mother if he could!"


From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Wed Sep 18 21:45:06 2002

Message:
LOL!!

The Cuervo Gold
The fine Columbian
Make tonight a wonderful thing
Hey nineteen.....

I'll just bet she's partied with the Bush girls! Jebs daughter 
makes sure the party rolls till dawn.


From: Gerbil Master
To: shitball
Subject: Get a Real Life
Date: Wed Sep 18 22:05:57 2002

Message:
shitball licks those limp gerbil dicks hard

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Subject: LOL!!
Date: Wed Sep 18 23:29:38 2002

Message:
Weird......I just happen to be sitting here with my computer 
playing my bootlegged copy of"A Decade of Steely Dan"!

From: Strom's a comin'
To: om/cf, Walter et al
Subject: c'mon who ya tryin' to kid?
Date: Thu Sep 19 02:57:50 2002

Message:
Don't you find your whole point of view skewed, because the rest 
of the world does. America is the self styled champion of 
democracy, but not global democracy it seems, just one that it 
deems fit for everyone else.If the rest of the world says that 
what you are doing is wrong, then democratically, you should 
honour the feelings of the majority, that's democracy. All this 
talk of weapons of mass destruction, I need hardly remind you 
that there is only one country that has used a true weapon of 
mass destruction (i.e nuclear). America has sponsored just as 
much terrorism as the worst of regimes, Contras, Chilean 
subversion, Cuban subversion attempts, Mujahedin (Taleban of 
course!) and the war in Vietnam was possibly the largest 
terrorist act of the century as it was not remotely connected 
with your own country's borders. You've experimented during 
wartime on your own troops your corporations have been involved 
in political scandal upto and including assasination attempts on 
democratically-elected foreign presidents. How do you expect the 
rest of the world to trust and believe you. I think US citizens 
are very good and kind people, I just am surprised that you 
still trust your powers that be after all they've done in the 
past, until the US learns to have some level humility it is on a 
road to ruin.

From: Walter
To: Strom's a comin'
Date: Thu Sep 19 04:49:11 2002

Message:
What nation has ever been stupid enough to allow itself to be 
tied to a world democracy?
 As for the rest of your post,how could I argue with it,since 
it's pretty much what I've said myself.
 Many Americans still believe that if we don't like the way our 
government handles things,we can throw those in power out of 
office.All I can say to that is:Try it sometime.

From: me
To: a european (continental) citizen
Subject: a little common sense
Date: Thu Sep 19 03:02:31 2002

Message:
"Man, it seems like the British Prime Minister is again following 
the COWBOY BUSH like a LITTLE DOG. Are the British so WEAK? 
Aren't they strong enough to be just a bit independent? I would 
be interested if Blair is also sharing his wife... Some of you 
are certainly british... tell me why you prefer the SENSELESS 
american attitudes and follow them to Iraq instead of thinking 
about the suggestions of other european countries? Maybe Britain 
will find the way back over the channel the european policy."

Man, what is the source of your hostility? Britain is one of the 
most honorable nations in the world. And what "suggestions" are 
you referring to?  Would it be something like 'let's bury our 
heads and do nothing because as long as America & Britain are 
here to do the dirty work (thus we reap the benefit of there 
protection without lifting a cowardly finger to do what is right) 
we don't have to do or say anything that would make Muslims upset 
. That way the Americans and the British will look like the mean 
parent that must always be the one to keep things (for everyone!) 
in order and the other parent (the rest of Europe) can look like 
nice fun one, always knowing in the back of there mind: should 
the child start to get in trouble and misbehave, they can ALWAYS 
count on US to set things straight.'?

You say the American attitude is 'senseless'. Ok. You can say 
what you like, however, you will not be taken seriously. NONE of 
what you posted possessed any hint of fact. Please give me just 
one reason (based on FACT not FEELINGS) why you would say such a 
thing.

I commend Britain. They are not afraid to speak the truth, even 
if it's a truth many countries don't want to hear. They aren't 
afraid to fight for that truth.

So before you post on this board again please be prepared back 
your ridiculous statements with some hardcore facts. As I said 
before you are entitled to your opinion (however moronic), but if 
you're looking to win anyone over, you are going to need more 
than just "the way you feel"; otherwise you will lose. Until 
then, FUCK OFF. 

From: om/cf
To: Strom's a comin'
Date: Thu Sep 19 06:24:10 2002

Message:
Personaly I trust no bureacracy, goverment nor corporate. And 
thats just based on life experience living in the U.S. There is 
no doubt America has made real bonehead mistakes over the years 
by failing to look toward the future. I support the current 
efforts against terrorism because Im selfish. I want to live 
life without the threat of terrorist acts and wish the same for 
the rest of the world.

Its funny. I remember during the preidential debates G.W. 
ranting on how against "nation building" he was. Some critics 
called this a isolationist view. Well, here we are, trying to 
duct tape Afghanistan together.

From: Strom's a comin'
To: om/cf
Date: Thu Sep 19 08:31:46 2002

Message:
I appreciate your point, but is there any real effort to duct 
tape Afghanistan together? Or has job -(getting rid of Taleban 
and get a US friendly leader in) been considered to be done. 
Because I don't hear too much about how we're actually going to 
help rebuild Afghanistan. I am not even saying we should, the 
whole world is not the west's responsibility, a lot of these 
countries can happily fuck themselves up without any of our help 
(interference). But I do think it's dangerous to start deciding 
which governments we don't find acceptable. In the case of 
Saddam, well the guy's a twat, but I'm more worried about 
setting precedents for the future, and yes I do feel a bit sorry 
for innocent Iraqis who probably put up with a lot of shit 
anyway only to have a war to look forward to.
peace.

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Colonel Sanders
Date: Thu Sep 19 11:29:26 2002

Message:
WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?

PAT BUCHANAN
To steal a job from a decent, hardworking American.

JERRY FALWELL
Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious?  Can't you people 
see the
plain truth in front of your face?  The chicken was going to
the "other side." That's what "they" call it the "other side." 
Yes, my
friends, that chicken is gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you 
will become
gay too.
I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out
this abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with 
seemingly harmless
phrase like "the other side." That chicken should not be free to 
cross the
road. It's as plain and simple as that.

DR. SEUSS
Did the chicken cross the road?
Did he cross it with a toad?
Yes! The chicken crossed the road,
but why it crossed, I've not been told!

ERNEST HEMINGWAY
To die. In the rain.

MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR.
I envision a world where all chickens will be free to cross 
roads without
having their motives called into question.

GRANDPA
In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road. 
Someone told us
that the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough for 
us.

ARISTOTLE
It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.

KARL MARX
It was a historical inevitability.

SADDAM HUSSEIN
This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were quite 
justified in
dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it.

RONALD REAGAN
What chicken?

CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK
To boldly go where no chicken has gone before.

FOX MULDER
You saw it cross the road with your own eyes. How many more 
chickens have to
cross before you believe it?

FREUD
The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken crossed 
the road
reveals your underlying sexual insecurity.

BILL GATES
I have just released eChicken 2000, which will not only cross 
roads, but
will lay eggs, file your important documents, and balance your 
checkbook and
Internet Explorer is an inextricable part of eChicken.

EINSTEIN
Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move 
beneath the
chicken?

BILL CLINTON
I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you mean by 
chicken"?
Could you define "chicken" please?

LOUIS FARRAKHAN
The road, you will see, represents the black man. The chicken 
crossed the
"black man" in order to trample him and keep him down.

THE BIBLE
And God came down from the heavens, and He said unto the 
chicken, "Thou
shalt cross the road." And the chicken crossed the road, And 
there was much
rejoicing.

COLONEL SANDERS
I missed one?

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Bush,
Date: Thu Sep 19 12:18:19 2002

Message:
Bush, Listen...............no war
No war without UN approval
No war without Congressional approval
No war without proper plans for the outcome
No war on a foreign government just to seal deals with oil 
companies that line your pockets.
You are rich enough already Bush, practice what you preach...a 
million acts of KINDNESS!

From: Lindsay
To: THE WORLD
Subject: America
Date: Mon Apr 8 18:40:07 2002

Message:
LISTEN UP EVERYONE!
  AMERICA. AMERICA IS ALWAYS THERE FOR ANY COUNTRY IN NEED. WHAT 
I DONT' UNDERSTAND IS WHY OTHER COUNTRIES ARE JEALOUS?! WE DONT 
NEED ANOTHER ATTACK ON AMERICA EITHER! EVERYTHING THE WORLD HAS 
THROWN AT AMERICA WE STILL STAND UNITED, AND EVERY LOSE AMERICA 
ENCOUNTERS JUST MAKES US STONGER! WE WILL WIN THIS WAR ON 
AMERICA!!!

-LINDSAY-

*If you have anything you want to ask or talk to me about e-mail 
me a LLCrazyGirl2001@aol.com. If you have Instant Messanger just 
IM me at LLCrazyGirl2001.*

From: Lindsay
To: THE WORLD
Subject: America
Date: Thu Sep 19 14:16:38 2002

Message:
SORRY!!!!! I MEANT WE WILL WIN THIS WAR ON 
TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From:
To: get a grip
Subject: colonel sanders
Date: Thu Sep 19 14:37:11 2002

Message:
LOL!! Laughed so hard , almost laid an egg reading that one!

From: Walter
To: Lindsay
Date: Thu Sep 19 14:42:39 2002

Message:
If someone has something that is valuable,and you don't,the 
smart thing to do would be to get that person who does to help 
teach you how to get the same thing for yourself.The bitter and 
ignorant don't understand this theory.
  They only know that they don't want you to have it.

From: Get a grip
To: Osama
Subject: Why the chicken crossed the road
Date: Thu Sep 19 16:01:01 2002

Message:
In the name of Allah and his holy Jihad he crossed the road, to 
Israel and blew himself up! He is now Martyr chicken! 

From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 19 16:07:53 2002

Message:
Well, I guess now he really is chicken soup!

From: Justice
To: all
Subject: Check this out
Date: Thu Sep 19 16:57:27 2002

Message:
http://people.freenet.de/freeek/SajjadAli.swf

Make sure your sound is turned on.  Kind of interesting story.

From: Web Master
To: Lindsay
Subject: Dignity
Date: Thu Sep 19 17:07:10 2002

Message:
If people like Lindsay can refrain from trying to pick up guys 
on this web site , and posting there e-mail.

Due to the fact that it shall get e-mail bombed or catch the 
attention of a stalker.

Lindasy get a life read a book do any thing but lose ur dignity 
hear. Its pathetic its hmmm how shall i say over patriotic and 
embarrassing

From:
To: u know who aka "Web Master"
Subject: above post to Lindsay
Date: Thu Sep 19 18:03:48 2002

Message:
That's funny shit for brains.  You should heed your own words.  
You don't even have any dignity left.  You are a pathetic piece 
of trash.  I bet you are trying to talk to Lindsay now because 
that would be your first contact with a woman since your mom 
left you in a dumpster to die.

From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 19 18:15:03 2002

Message:
"Chicken Soup for Osama's Soul?"

From: a european (continental) citizen
To: spy, "me" and other british or americans
Subject: british attitude
Date: Thu Sep 19 16:01:19 2002

Message:
Well, I see that it doesn't have sense to tell you something 
about british policy. You're obviously too proud of your nation 
to see objective what's going on in the world. Or are you 
American (then: do you know a continent called Europe)?
Don't you realize that Bush just wants to attack the Iraq 
because he wants first help his armament industry and second the 
oil in the persian golf-region? Ok, possible that Britain also 
want that...
Of course it is not the intension of european policy to support 
islamic fundamentalists but do you think that a war in Iraq 
helps to solve these problems? I don't think so. It will make it 
even worse. And I'm sure that terroristic aims in Europe are 
first of all british or american ones. 
Further what will Mr. Bush and Mr. "Dog" Blair do when Saddam is 
defeated? Stay with Iraq with their armies? I mean, did it help 
in Afghanistan? Did they eleminate Al-Quaeda? Found Osama? 
Killed some people, ok... spend billions of Euros... and some 
hurted american souls may feel better after 9.11. and for the 
british? Tell me one result or advantage for the british people.
Ok, you wanted me to show facts: here I'm showing you that not 
all british people are convinced by your opinion for example the 
trade unions, go to: http://www.tuc.org.uk/congress/tuc-5474-
f0.cfm


From: somebody who knows where Iraq and Afghanistan are
To: Lindsay
Subject: America's patriotism
Date: Thu Sep 19 18:36:32 2002

Message:
Don't you see that your attitudes towards the world are the 
reason of the islamic terrorism? Why do you (americans) always 
think about yourself and not global? America's patriotism and 
greed for more power destroys everything! Why don't you go just 
a bit further over the "border" and see what's outside in the 
world to understand it better?

From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 19 19:01:21 2002

Message:
*Why do you (Americans) always think about yourself and not 
global?*

Its a concept called looking out for your own, and its worked 
very well since the beginnings of man. Would the world be a 
paradise if it was one big global village? HA! Just as it is in 
our daily interactions with different people, so it is with 
international relations. America happens to be the 'person' who 
is smart, works hard and is hell bent on sucsess. Other 
countries can be likened to the 'person' who is a sissy ass 
whiner, never doing anything and always complaining. Of course 
its all a matter of perspective.

How could the U.S. attitude possibly be the reason for Islamic 
terrorism? It was long before America exsisted that the Prophet 
Mohammad and his band of merry men where camel hopping across 
the middle east cutting off heads of non-believers! 

From: Walter
To: somebody who knows where Iraq and Afghanistan are
Date: Thu Sep 19 19:19:15 2002

Message:
Your first sentence is an overflowing crock of shit.People from 
these grade-school educated countries need to grow up a little 
bit,and take responsibility for some of their own childish 
actions instead of blaming everyone else for their"Sanford & 
Son"existance.
 Americans think of themselves first,because that's what humans 
do.What other nation,before they make an important 
decision,thinks of how their action will affect America?The OPEC 
nations?
 Example after example has shown to us that food from the 
U.S.gives many people just enough strength to live another day,so 
that they will be healthy enough to be able to burn the American 
flag,and throw rocks at the American Embassy.
 If I were in power,I would let these people know that until the 
Embassy gets rebuilt,the food stops.And not one more American 
flag would be made in the U.S.;they would be made in the 
countries we feed.No flags-no food.Don't like it?Start a hunger 
strike,and continue until I give a shit.
 Until we don't have to wait until you've finished your meal that 
we've supplied,for you to tell us how much you hate us,then I 
guess we will just continue to think of you as ungrateful 
beggars.
 

From: Walter
To: Justice
Date: Thu Sep 19 20:11:24 2002

Message:
http://people.freenet.de/freeek/SajjadAli.swf

 Thank you.....it was beautiful.

From: om/cf
To: Justice
Subject: the site you mentioned today
Date: Thu Sep 19 20:32:19 2002

Message:
It really opened my eyes and somehow made me feel more 'as one 
with the universe.'

From: Get a grip
To: Justice
Subject: It's the stonhenge spirit for Halloween
Date: Thu Sep 19 20:57:48 2002

Message:
http://people.freenet.de/freeek/SajjadAli.swf

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: As the Dradel turns
Date: Thu Sep 19 21:07:47 2002

Message:
"I bring this meeting of the skull and bones..er. together, Now 
as you all know I have risen above the rest of the members to 
become the president of the United States" "You cheated! George, 
it was your brother Jeb that got you in the white house" "Now 
that isn't a very nice thing to say, remember I said everyone 
has to do a million..er . acts of a terrorism, I mean kindness! 
yes Kindness.. that's it. Now, I need some help convincing the 
members of congress that they have to sign a blank check and 
declare my proto Christian crusade...uh . er . war on 
terror...er I mean the war on Iraq! and I mean no matter what 
those pinko European U.N. communist say! " "What do you think WE 
can do George?" "Well, Lefty can go with shorty and jaw bone and 
use some cement to take a few of the Democrats to the bottom of 
the Potomac River, that's ..er I mean those guys can be very 
persuasive and convince the Democrats to go along with the GOP 
campaign." "Ok George, but what if your Daddy finds out you have 
been messing with the ballots again he said he's a gonna' open a 
can of whoop ass and give you a taste" "You leave my Daddy to 
me, and just break some knees...uh I mean make sure we get the 
vote"

From: .44
To: Strom's a comin'
Date: Thu Sep 19 22:08:14 2002

Message:
I'll consider myself one of the "et al" to whom you refer.  
Heavens, where to begin?  First, in those alleged acts of 
"terrorism" which you pin on the U.S., you need to review your 
history.  America did NOT go into those countries without first 
being invited.  Secondly, your view of democracy is in fact quite 
socialistic: you believe that the U.S. should march in lockstep 
(goose-step?) with the rest of the world.  If evey nation would 
all agree to the same terms, we would have a totalitarian world.  
Kind of a funny result for someone who wants to be "democratic", 
isn't it?  And as for your attempt to make us feel oh-so-guilty 
about things which have occurred in the past, it isn't working.  
Maybe if you could play a violin for us, that might help...        
   

From: .44
To: European (incontinent) person
Date: Thu Sep 19 22:18:31 2002

Message:
Well, there you go again.  A tyrant named Saddam Hussein proves 
himself a menace to the entire Western world by invading Kuwait, 
seizing oil fields, murdering God knows how many of his own 
people, amasses several METRIC tons of mass-destruction weapons, 
expresses his hatred of the West in general, and the U.S. in 
particular, ad nauseam.  So what do you propose besides 
expressing your hatred of America?  Perhaps we Americans should 
just stay home, and wait to be attacked again and again and 
again...  Sounds like you'd love that!  Here's the deal:  Saddam 
Hussein is an evil man and he WILL be destroyed, along with his 
dictatorial regime.  You can weep all you want, but it will 
happen, with or without your blessings.  To argue that this is 
"about Bush's oil cronies" is an argument from the socialist 
left, and one commonly exploited by pro-Arab regimes from time to 
time.  The trouble with that argument is twofold: 1) it is not a 
"fight for oil", but rather a fight to prevent economic tyranny 
from occurring from Hussein (from whom we still purchase oil), 
and 2) it is a fight to stabilize the Middle East by removing 
threats like Saddam.    

From: om/cf
To: Get a grip
Subject: Florida Voting
Date: Thu Sep 19 22:15:14 2002

Message:
This is a nauseating thought on any level, but I wonder if the 
bigfoot Janet Reno got screwed in the recent Florida primary 
election as well? Or did the old farts that cannot operate a 
stylus pushed thru a hole fail to grasp the concept of a touch-
screen as well? Anything computor related completly freeks old 
people! Arizona is a snow-bird haven, maybe Florida would be 
well served to check out what they do. All I know is Florida has 
voting problems, and the new equipment didn't help in the recent 
Democratic primary there. Bigfoot waited a week before returning 
to the everglades!

From: Gerbil Master
To:
Date: Thu Sep 19 22:48:52 2002

Message:
What's Up?

Look at the past year.  

REMEMBER

From: om/cf
To: .44
Date: Thu Sep 19 22:46:32 2002

Message:
That was a damn good post to the European (incuntinent). Its a 
fact that mideast oil is part of our national interests. Its 
also a fact that without the west buying their oil at fair 
market prices the shieks would starve with the common man 
eventually. Thats why I bicycle to work, weather permitting, 
even though I now have 4 vehicles. Well that, and 2 
are "projects". 

From: om/cf
To: Gerbil Master
Date: Fri Sep 20 00:37:04 2002

Message:
I had no idea you were a fireman! A good friend of mine since 
3rd grade is also. He used to be one of the best in the country 
in the fireman competitions, a hell of an athlete all through 
school, running cross-country and track. To his credit I 
couldn't talk him into playing football with a madman like me! 
Its damn good to see you guys get some appreciation, its a damn 
tough job when the shit hits the fan! Yet its a sad thought that 
an event such as a attack on America makes us realise this.

Remember? Yes! Never forget!

Remember to hug those you love every day! Remember our young 
women and men in the armed forces, doing their job, for us! 
Remember the firemen and police, who are, at the end of the day, 
ordinary people who can do extra-ordinary things, as we are all 
capable of but seldom do because "its not my job" or "I don't 
want to get involved". Lets get involved because its the right 
thing to do, fear is worthless. I'll step off the soap box with 
much left I'd like to say to fellow Americans not neccesarily 
related to political bullshit or international strife but 
related to how we live our daily lives in this great country.

Take nothing for granted.

From: Vastly intellectually superior
To: .44 (dum-dum bullets)
Subject: entertain me
Date: Fri Sep 20 03:03:09 2002

Message:
.44, as with so many others on this board you begin by telling 
others how ignorant and uneducated they are and then proceed to 
show how inept you are yourself. A situation of concensus was 
described, that is not everyone agreeing...idiot....but the fact 
that those in disagreement respect the view of the majority. So 
I don't know where you get your fucking dictionary from, but 
totalitarian is: dictated by one leader, un-democratic, un-
representative , ill-liberal. Basically when one person decides 
for everyone else without consultation, how the fuck can that be 
anything like agreeing with the feelings of the UN....asshole. 
more like is when the rest of the world agrees on emision 
reductions to try to save this war-ridden planet and the US, the 
richest country on earth, irresponsibly says that it wants to 
keep it's big cars and inefficient lifestyle and everyone else 
can go take a running jump..... pricks! And all this bullshit 
about how kind the US is, go and look it up, the US does not 
give the most aid per GDP, or per capita whichever way you want 
to look at it, so stop crowing. 

From: Walter
To: Vastly intellectually superior
Date: Fri Sep 20 03:31:26 2002

Message:
the US does not give the most aid per GDP, or per capita 
whichever way you want to look at it, so stop crowing. _________-

 You're correct:we don't.
 I can't speak for everyone here,but if it were up to me,I'd cut 
off ALL foreign aid,and if there were a hunger problem,you could 
all sell sexual favors to tourists.I couldn't begin to give a 
shit if each and every one you starve.How's that for American 
generosity?

From: I'm an intellectual pea really
To: Walter
Subject: let's be buddies again
Date: Fri Sep 20 06:18:00 2002

Message:
Hmmmmm.... well I appreciate your candour Walter, and indeed you 
have every right to say up yours this is mine and I'm keeping 
it. I just thought that the US was better than that, indeed it 
is better than that. Having been to this board for some time now 
I think I can see some major cultural differences and why they 
cause problems. I have criticised governmental and corporate 
America but always stressed that your average American, like 
those just about anywhere is a generous, kind and peaceful type. 
But the thing I notice is that if someone critices an aspect of 
American life or policy then you immediately think we're totally 
trashing your way of life, country, sports heroes etc...Well 
nothing could be further from the truth, I can and will say that 
such and such a thing is bad about America but I can still 
maintain the view that it is the most free, egalitarian society 
on earth. That's the beauty of the US don't knock criticism 
embrace it and be proud that your country allows it and indeed 
has become great because of, not despite it.
peace

From: Yosemite Sam
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Sep 20 06:28:22 2002

Message:
Nice sentiments, now get the fuck off my land!

From: Facts Finder
To: All
Date: Fri Sep 20 07:12:37 2002

Message:
Do you know why the Muslims extremists or terrorist is against 
America? It is because America is al the time standing in their 
way and obstructing the goal. What is their goal? 

To rid Isreal out of this world.

To change every nations into Islamic world.

To have power under their ayatollahs against the infidels.

We have to stand up and make sure they do not succeed. We have 
to give US our full support. We have to get rid of these 
extremists. Sorry to say that but it is the fact.

From: .44
To: vastly intellectually superior
Date: Fri Sep 20 08:10:04 2002

Message:
Fascinating.  Illogical, but fascinating.  Live long, and 
prosper.                

From: .44
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Sep 20 08:13:36 2002

Message:
Thanks for the compliment.  I wish that more people would get 
out of their SUV's and drive something more economical.  SUV 
drivers ignore the fact that they make the OPECers richer than is 
necessary by making us needlessly dependent on their oil.  BTW, 
what are your projects?  Mine is a '79 LeBaron (with rich 
Corinthian vinyl) and a tough if underpowered slant 6 engine.  
It's in primer now, but in the spring I'll paint it white, and go 
with a light grey interior.               

From: .44
To: Vas deferens intellect
Date: Fri Sep 20 08:19:27 2002

Message:
Hello!  Have you been watching general world trends?  Does your 
snobbiness and self-importance cloud your ability to see?  We're 
heading toward a one-world government.  Call it "democracy" if 
you want, but to those of us who value national sovereignty, such 
entities as the EU and the UN are guided by their insatiable 
hunger for power over the major politics and economies of the 
world.  Sure sounds like totalitarianism to me.  Any way you cut 
it, it spells a gradual loss of freedom for the U.S., and I stand 
by my earlier comments, Slappy.                

From: As the Dradel Truns
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 08:20:39 2002

Message:
"I,m telling you to come out with your hands up Yassar! and 
bring those Hamass friends of yours with you!" "Ok Ok Sharon, I 
surrender, you have reduced my palace to rubble anyway and we 
have no more places to hide, what will you do with us now?" "We 
will blindfold your gentile friends and shoot them at dawn! this 
last attack on the bus was UNFORGIVABLE! Arafat! I will begin 
leveling the west bank and turning it into a shopping mall 
tomorrow!" "What will become of me, Sharon?" "President Bush 
says I have to keep you alive and in your palace, so we will 
leave this one building and turn it into a bagel shop. You will 
sell bagels to the shoppers" "No No Sharon! that is cruel 
punishment! worse than death! Allah will see to your punishment! 
You cannot judge me, only Allah can judge me!" "It is no time 
for negotiations Arafat! we are no longer friends and I plan to 
have a yamica permanently attached to your head, instead of that 
towel and beads" "No No (sob sob..) it is a sad day for 
Islam" "It's your own fault Arafat, we told you, NO MORE 
BOMBINGS!" "But they were just young boys out having fun, it is 
nothing I can do" "Perhaps so but now you will pay the price and 
become a JEW!" "NO NO NO anything but NOT THAT!" "It is ok 
Arafat you will look good with chutzpah!"

From: Justice
To: a european (continental) citizen
Date: Fri Sep 20 09:28:07 2002

Message:
So are you going to tell us where you actually live?  Are you 
not proud of the country you come from?  Can you turn that keen 
insight you have on your own country?

From: parlez vous Francais?
To: .2 & 1/2
Subject: incapable of debate
Date: Fri Sep 20 10:17:54 2002

Message:
So knobber, who is in charge of the UN...? Who is this 
totalitarian dictator, or is it the fact that you just don't 
like the idea of not getting your own way all the time. I guess 
if you believe in the nation state and the sanctity of national 
sovereignty then you'd agree that if the house of Saud were 
overthrown and a democratic government said it refused to sell 
oil to the US on cultursal/religious grounds, you'd respect 
their choice as an independent state?

From: well wisher
To: U know who
Subject: u know who's weekend
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:02:39 2002

Message:
sharin' the shite togrther, oh yeah, sharin' the shite together
sung in a 
DR Hook styleee

From: www.nooromman@yahoo.com
To: 911 innocent victims
Subject: I love you all
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:58:14 2002

Message:
It is very hard to die innocent I hope as soon as pollible god 
take over the world to stablish pease and love and justice.

From: www.nooromman@yahoo.com
To: 911 innocent victims
Subject: I love you all
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:58:14 2002

Message:
It is very hard to die innocent I hope as soon as pollible god 
take over the world to stablish peace and love and justice.

to have more food clothes med and houses

From: www.nooromman@yahoo.com
To: 911 innocent victims
Subject: I love you all
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:58:14 2002

Message:
It is very hard to die innocent I hope as soon as pollible god 
take over the world to stablish peace and love and justice.

to have more food clothes med and houses

From: www.nooromman@yahoo.com
To: 911 innocent victims
Subject: I love you all
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:58:14 2002

Message:
It is very hard to die innocent I hope as soon as pollible god 
take over the world to stablish peace and love and justice.

to have more food clothes med and houses

From: polliwog
To: Uncle Los Lobos
Subject: Congrats! Destruction of the STICKY FINGERS BAND Message Board
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:42:02 2002

Message:
Uncle Los Lobos, CONGRATS man.  You are the shit! We managed to 
shut down another message board.  Just went to the STICKY 
FINGERS BAND website and the message board is now shut down.  
WOO HOO!  Uncle Los Lobos, you taught me everything I know.  You 
are the best role model a nephew could have.  Now, let's get 
ourselves some pussy this weekend at the club!

From: Gerbil Master
To: above Post
Subject: I want to Eat Your Ass!
Date: Fri Sep 20 11:42:02 2002

Message:
Yes, I know you just took a hearty shit for me and I want to eat 
out your asshole, mother, may I?

From: Merlyn
To: Gerbil Master
Subject: I AM JEALOUS
Date: Fri Sep 20 13:16:28 2002

Message:
When I ate your ass out last weekend you said that I was the 
best rim job giver ever!  Now, I see you want to lie and cheat 
on me.  I wore my pink frilly crotchless panties for you and my 
bustier and still that does not satisfy you even though I 
munched your hairy diarrahea asshole for fourteen houres.  You 
fucker! leaving me like this.  call me tonight and we will talk 
about it.  I got my nipples pierced and also my tongue.  DONT 
LEAVE ME SWEETIE. CUM BACK TO ME NOW> MY DICK IS GETTING HARDER 
AND HARDER and i amaabout to cuim SPLAT

From: Los Lobos
To: polliwog (aka fuckstick)
Date: Fri Sep 20 14:03:35 2002

Message:
I am ashamed at what we did to the Sticky Fingers message 
board.  I know now that we are no life losers whose greatest 
accomplishment is taking down a second rate rock band's message 
board.  I know we try this all of the time with the afghan-
government board but what we don't realize is that we can never 
destroy this board.  We must accept our fate as losers and go 
perform a ritual suicide to rid the world of our no pussy 
getting virgin asses.  I wish a girl would just hold me for 
once.  I guess I will have to settle for you holding me 
polliwog.  I love you.

From: 911 innocent victims
To: www.nooromman@yahoo.com
Subject: hooked on phonics didn't work for you
Date: Fri Sep 20 14:08:32 2002

Message:
It is very hard to live when I can't form a complete sentence.  
Please, somebody shoot me now.

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 14:00:23 2002

Message:
Officials told to 'back off' on Saudis before September 11 
by Greg Palast and David Pallister

FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they 
were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full 
investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US 
before the terrorist attacks of September 11. 

US intelligence agencies have come under criticism for their 
wholesale failure to predict the catastrophe at the World Trade 
Centre. But some are complaining that their hands were tied. 

FBI documents shown on BBC Newsnight last night and obtained by 
the Guardian show that they had earlier sought to investigate 
two of Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington and a Muslim 
organisation, the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), with 
which they were linked. 

The FBI file, marked Secret and coded 199, which means a case 
involving national security, records that Abdullah bin Laden, 
who lived in Washington, had originally had a file opened on 
him "because of his relationship with the World Assembly of 
Muslim Youth - a suspected terrorist organisation". 

WAMY members deny they have been involved with terrorist 
activities, and WAMY has not been placed on the latest list of 
terrorist organisations whose assets are being frozen. 

Abdullah, who lived with his brother Omar at the time in Falls 
Church, a town just outside Washington, was the US director of 
WAMY, whose offices were in a basement nearby. 

But the FBI files were closed in 1996 apparently before any 
conclusions could be reached on either the Bin Laden brothers 
or the organisation itself. High-placed intelligence sources in 
Washington told the Guardian this week: "There were always 
constraints on investigating the Saudis". 

They said the restrictions became worse after the Bush 
administration took over this year. The intelligence agencies 
had been told to "back off" from investigations involving other 
members of the Bin Laden family, the Saudi royals, and possible 
Saudi links to the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Pakistan. 

"There were particular investigations that were effectively 
killed." 

Only after the September 11 attacks was the stance of political 
and commercial closeness reversed towards the other members of 
the large Bin Laden clan, who have classed Osama bin Laden as 
their "black sheep". 

Yesterday, the head of the Saudi-based WAMY's London office, 
Nouredine Miladi, said the charity was totally against Bin 
Laden's violent methods. "We seek social change through 
education and cooperation, not force." 

He said Abdullah bin Laden had ceased to run WAMY's US 
operation a year ago. 

Neither Abdullah nor Omar bin Laden could be contacted in Saudi 
Arabia for comment. 

WAMY was founded in 1972 in a Saudi effort to prevent 
the "corrupting" ideas of the west ern world influencing young 
Muslims. With official backing it grew to embrace 450 youth and 
student organisations with 34 offices worldwide. 

Its aim was to encourage "concerned Muslims to take up the 
challenge by arming the youth with sound understanding of 
Islam, guarding them against destructive ideologies, and 
instilling in them level-headed wisdom". 

In Britain it has 20 associated organisations, many highly 
respectable. 

But as long as 10 years ago it was named as a discreet channel 
for public and private Saudi donations to hardline Islamic 
organisations. One of the recipients of its largesse has been 
the militant Students Islamic Movement of India, which has lent 
support to Pakistani-backed terrorists in Kashmir and seeks to 
set up an Islamic state in India. 

Since September 11 WAMY has been investigated in the US along 
with a number of other Muslim charities. There have been 
several grand jury investigations but no findings have been 
made against any of them. 

Current FBI interest in WAMY is shown in their agents' 
interrogation of a radiologist from San Antonio, Texas, Dr Al 
Badr al-Hazmi, who was arrested on September 12 and released 
without charge two weeks later. He had the same surname as two 
of the plane hijackers. 

He was also questioned about his contacts with Abdullah bin 
Laden at the US WAMY office. 

Mr Al-Hazmi said that he had made phone calls to Abdullah bin 
Laden in 1999 trying to obtain books and videotapes about 
Islamic teachings for the Islamic Centre of San Antonio. 

To view the BBC television broadcast of the Palast 
investigation, go to http://www.GregPalast.com 

From:
To:
Subject: Interesting.
Date: Fri Sep 20 14:12:49 2002

Message:
BBC: DID BUSH TURN A BLIND EYE TO TERRORISM?
BBC Newsnight
Tuesday, November 6, 2001
 
(BBC TRANSCRIPT)

GREG PALAST: 
The CIA and Saudi Arabia, the Bushes and the Bin Ladens. Did 
their connections cause America to turn a blind eye to 
terrorism? 

UNNAMED MAN: 
There is a hidden agenda at the very highest levels of our 
government. 

JOE TRENTO, (AUTHOR, "SECRET HISTORY OF THE CIA"): 
The sad thing is that thousands of Americans had to die 
needlessly. 

PETER ELSNER: 
How can it be that the former President of the US and the 
current President of the US have business dealings with 
characters that need to be investigated? 

PALAST: 
In the eight weeks since the attacks, over 1,000 suspects and 
potential witnesses have been detained. Yet, just days after 
the hijackers took off from Boston aiming for the Twin Towers, 
a special charter flight out of the same airport whisked 11 
members of Osama Bin Laden's family off to Saudi Arabia. That 
did not concern the White House. 

Their official line is that the Bin Ladens are above suspicion -
 apart from Osama, the black sheep, who they say hijacked the 
family name. That's fortunate for the Bush family and the Saudi 
royal household, whose links with the Bin Ladens could 
otherwise prove embarrassing. But Newsnight has obtained 
evidence that the FBI was on the trail of other members of the] 
Bin Laden family for links to terrorist organisations before 
and after September 11th. 

This document is marked "Secret". Case ID - 199-Eye WF 213 589. 
199 is FBI code for case type. 9 would be murder. 65 would be 
espionage. 199 means national security. WF indicates Washington 
field office special agents were investigating ABL - because of 
it's relationship with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth, 
WAMY - a suspected terrorist organisation. ABL is Abdullah Bin 
Laden, president and treasurer of WAMY. 

This is the sleepy Washington suburb of Falls Church, Virginia 
where almost every home displays the Stars and Stripes. On this 
unremarkable street, at 3411 Silver Maple Place, we located the 
former home of Abdullah and another brother, Omar, also an FBI 
suspect. It's conveniently close to WAMY. The World Assembly of 
Muslim Youth is in this building, in a little room in the 
basement at 5613 Leesburg Pike. And here, just a couple blocks 
down the road at 5913 Leesburg, is where four of the hijackers 
that attacked New York and Washington are listed as having 
lived. 

The US Treasury has not frozen WAMY's assets, and when we 
talked to them, they insisted they are a charity. Yet, just 
weeks ago, Pakistan expelled WAMY operatives. And India claimed 
that WAMY was funding an organisation linked to bombings in 
Kashmir. And the Philippines military has accused WAMY of 
funding Muslim insurgency. The FBI did look into WAMY, but, for 
some reason, agents were pulled off the trail. 

TRENTO:
The FBI wanted to investigate these guys. This is not something 
that they didn't want to do - they wanted to, they weren't 
permitted to. 

PALAST: 
The secret file fell into the hands of national security 
expert, Joe Trento. The Washington spook-tracker has been 
looking into the FBI's allegations about WAMY. 

TRENTO:
They've had connections to Osama Bin Laden's people. They've 
had connections to Muslim cultural and financial aid groups 
that have terrorist connections. They fit the pattern of groups 
that the Saudi royal family and Saudi community of princes - 
the 20,000 princes - have funded who've engaged in terrorist 
activity. 

Now, do I know that WAMY has done anything that's illegal? No, 
I don't know that. Do I know that as far back as 1996 the FBI 
was very concerned about this organisation? I do. 

PALAST:
Newsnight has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections 
between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis. The 
former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah is Michael 
Springman.
MICHAEL SPRINGMAN:
In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State 
Dept officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These 
were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi 
Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the 
time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State 
Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of 
Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I 
was met with silence. 

PALAST:
By now, Bush Sr, once CIA director, was in the White House. 
Springman was shocked to find this wasn't visa fraud. Rather, 
State and CIA were playing "the Great Game". 

SPRINGMAN:
What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring 
recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for 
terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to 
Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets. 

The attack on the World Trade Center in 1993 did not shake the 
State Department's faith in the Saudis, nor did the attack on 
American barracks at Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia three years 
later, in which 19 Americans died. FBI agents began to feel 
their investigation was being obstructed. Would you be 
surprised to find out that FBI agents are a bit frustrated that 
they can't be looking into some Saudi connections? 

MICHAEL WILDES, ( LAWYER)
I would never be surprised with that. They're cut off at the 
hip sometimes by supervisors or given shots that are being 
called from Washington at the highest levels. 

PALAST:
I showed lawyer Michael Wildes our FBI documents. One of the 
Khobar Towers bombers was represented by Wildes, who thought he 
had useful intelligence for the US. He also represents a Saudi 
diplomat who defected to the USA with 14,000 documents which 
Wildes claims implicates Saudi citizens in financing terrorism 
and more. Wildes met with FBI men who told him they were not 
permitted to read all the documents. Nevertheless, he tried to 
give them to the agents. 

WILDES:
"Take these with you. We're not going to charge for the copies. 
Keep them. Do something with them. Get some bad guys with 
them." They refused. 

PALAST:
In the hall of mirrors that is the US intelligence community, 
Wildes, a former US federal attorney, said the FBI field agents 
wanted the documents, but they were told to "see no evil." 

WILDES:
You see a difference between the rank-and-file counter-
intelligence agents, who are regarded by some as the motor pool 
of the FBI, who drive following diplomats, and the people who 
are getting the shots called at the highest level of our 
government, who have a different agenda - it's unconscionable. 

PALAST:
State wanted to keep the pro-American Saudi royal family in 
control of the world's biggest oil spigot, even at the price of 
turning a blind eye to any terrorist connection so long as 
America was safe. In recent years, CIA operatives had other 
reasons for not exposing Saudi-backed suspects. 

TRENTO: 
If you recruited somebody who is a member of a terrorist 
organisation, who happens to make his way here to the US, and 
even though you're not in touch with that person anymore but 
you have used him in the past, it would be unseemly if he were 
arrested by the FBI and word got back that he'd once been on 
the payroll of the CIA. What we're talking about is blow-back. 
What we're talking about is embarrassing, career-destroying 
blow-back for intelligence officials. 

PALAST:
Does the Bush family also have to worry about political blow-
back? The younger Bush made his first million 20 years ago with 
an oil company partly funded by Salem Bin Laden's chief US 
representative. Young George also received fees as director of 
a subsidiary of Carlyle Corporation, a little known private 
company which has, in just a few years of its founding, become 
one of Americas biggest defence contractors. His father, Bush 
Senior, is also a paid advisor. And what became embarrassing 
was the revelation that the Bin Ladens held a stake in Carlyle, 
sold just after September 11. 

ELSNER:
You have a key relationship between the Saudis and the former 
President of the US who happens to be the father of the current 
President of the US. And you have all sorts of questions about 
where does policy begin and where does good business and good 
profits for the company, Carlyle, end? 

PALAST:
I received a phone call from a high-placed member of a US 
intelligence agency. He tells me that while there's always been 
constraints on investigating Saudis, under George Bush it's 
gotten much worse. After the elections, the agencies were told 
to "back off" investigating the Bin Ladens and Saudi royals, 
and that angered agents. I'm told that since September 11th the 
policy has been reversed. FBI headquarters told us they could 
not comment on our findings. A spokesman said: "There are lots 
of things that only the intelligence community knows and that 
no-one else ought to know. 

END OF TRANSCRIPT



Award-winning reporter Palast writes Inside Corporate America 
for the London Observer.

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 14:20:10 2002

Message:
SMELLS LIKE TEXAS
Observer (London)
Sunday, May 20, 2001

  
 
by Greg Palast

Ah, the smell of Texas in the morning! 

According to LaNell Anderson, real estate agent, what I'm 
smelling is a combination of hydrogen sulphide and some other, 
unidentifiable toxic gunk. We've pulled up across from a pond 
on Houston's ship channel, home of the biggest refinery and 
chemical complex in America. The pond is filled with benzene 
residues, a churning, burbling goop. Though there's a little 
park nearby, this is not a bucolic swimming hole. Rather, 
imagine your toilet backed up, loaded, churning and ripe  
assuming your toilet is a half-mile in circumference. 

I flew to Houston to prepare for this week's official release 
of President George W Bush's proposal to end the energy crisis 
in California. 
The Golden State is suffering rolling black-outs. The state's 
monthly electricity bill has shot up by one thousand and still 
going higher. 
But as soon as I got a whiff of the President's proposals, I 
knew his plan had nothing to do with helping out the Gore-
voting surfers on the Left Coast. Bush's  energy crisis' plan 
reeks of pure eau du Texas, that sulphurous combination of 
pollution, payola and political power unique to the Lone Star 
State. 

Bush put his Vice-President Dick Cheney in charge of the 
Committee to save California consumers. Recommendation number 
one: build some nuclear plants. Not much of an offer to 
earthquake-prone California, but a darn good deal for the 
biggest builder of nuclear plants based in Texas, the Brown and 
Root subsidiary of Halliburton Corporation. Recent CEO of 
Halliburton: Dick the Veep. 

Suggestion number two: drill for oil in Alaska's Arctic 
Wildlife Refuge. California does not burn oil in its power 
plants, but hey, committee member and Commerce Secretary Don 
Evans gave the arctic escapade a thumbs up. Evans most recent 
employment: CEO of Tom Brown Inc, a billion-dollar oil and gas 
corporation. 

And so on. Former Texas Agriculture Commissioner Jim Hightower 
told me, "They've eliminated the middle man. The corporations 
don't have to lobby the government any more. They are the 
government." Hightower used to complain about Monsanto's 
lobbying the Secretary of Agriculture. Today, Monsanto 
executive Ann Venamin is the Secretary of Agriculture. 

Well, back to energy. The California's electricity watchdog 
agency claims that speculators and a little club of energy 
merchants exercised raw monopoly power to overcharge state 
consumers by a breathtaking $6.2 billion last year. Bill 
Clinton, before his final bow, issued an order on December 14, 
halting uncontrolled speculation in the electricity market. You 
could hear the yowls all the way to Texas where the big winners 
in the power game 
  
Enron, TXU, Reliant, Dynegy and El Paso corporation are 
headquartered. These five energy operators, through their 
executives and employees, ponied up $4.1 million for the 
Republican Presidential campaign cycle, according to the Center 
for Responsive Politics in Washington. 

They didn't have long to wait before their investment - excuse 
me, donation - paid off big time. Just three days after his 
inauguration, 
Bush swept away Clinton's orders directing controlled power 
sales to California. 

Back in the ship channel, once LaNell picked up the scent of 
airborne poisons, she hopped from her Lexus, pulled out a big 
white bucket and opened a valve, sucking in a 3-minute sample 
of air which she'll send off to the US Environmental Protection 
Agency. The EPA will trace and fine the polluter. Hunting 
killer fumes is a heck of hobby. LaNell began after learning 
she had a rare immune system disease associated with chemical 
pollution. Her mom and dad died young of lung disease and 
cancer. She grew up and lives near the ship channel. 

I didn't have the heart to tell her that she might as well 
chuck away her buckets. Quietly tucked into President Bush's 
new budget, is a big fat zero for the key EPA civil enforcement 
team. This has no connection whatsoever to the petrochemical 
industry dumping $48 million into the Republican campaign. 

LaNell stopped to chat with some Chicano sub-teens playing 
soccer with an old bowling ball. They live in what Exxon-Mobil 
calls its "vulnerability zone." The refinery released 1,680,000 
pounds of toxic chemicals into the air and water here last year 
by accident. According to Exxon-Mobil records, if the pentane 
on site vaporized and ignited, it would burn human skin within 
1.8 miles. Seven-thousand three hundred people live in that 
zone. Bush is addressing the problem. He's closing down public 
access to these reports on the killing zones. 

A giant flare suddenly lit up the other side of the channel - 
and LaNell sped off to investigate. She discovered that a 
chemical plant blew a hydrogen line - and the operators, rather 
than store the ruined batch of ethylene, chose to ignite it. 
The toxic fireball, big as the Houses of Parliament, burned 
from the stack for several hours, exhaling a black cloud over 
Houston. 

LaNell said this sickening  sky dumping'procedure is okey-dokey 
with Texas state regulators. Now Bush proposes moving air 
quality enforcement away from the tougher feds to these laid-
back state agencies. And this week's Bush energy plan proposes 
additional loosening of EPA rules on the chemical industry. 

On to Dallas, where I met with Phyllis Glazer, founder of a 
group of bereaved mothers in Winona, Texas. They lost their 
children to rare diseases which they believe is related to a 
local hazardous waste  injection well,' a big underground 
chemical dump. Phyllis wore one of those fancy Western dance 
shirts with the metal bangles and cowhide fringe, so I 
brilliantly asked her if she enjoys Texas two-
stepping. "Actually, I don't do a lot of dancing these days. My 
bones are deteriorating." 

Phyllis and the moms took a bus to Washington DC. But official 
doors slammed in their faces. "They said someone who's given 
200,000 or a couple million, their call goes straight through." 

One Texan who made his way through the doors to power is Ken 
Lay, the Chairman of Enron, the electricity speculating outfit 
which made out so well in this week's energy plan. Lay is a 
Pioneer, not the kind that lives in a little house on the 
prairie, busting the soil. A  Pioneer' designates the big 
buckeroos who pledged to raise $100,000 apiece for Mr Bush. 
Four hundred Pioneers - that's $40 million in campaign booty. 

Lay wouldn't talk to me, but his fellow Pioneer, Senator Teel 
Bevins, Texas Panhandle rancher, was right friendly. His office 
walls in the Capital in Austin sport a pair of riding chaps, 
his Pioneer medallion, and the head of a deceased Long-Horn. I 
was assured the back half of the beast ended up on the 
Senator's barbeque. 

Getting the hundred grand for Bush was no problem for the 
cowboy-politican. Easiest money he ever raised ("Eezist monuh 
ah eva rayzed"). And Bush never forgets his friends. One 
unheralded milestone of Bush's first hundred days is his 
allowing beef packers to zap meat with radiation to kill 
salmonella, a disinfectant cheaper than non-nuclear methods. 
(Bush's proposal to simply permit a bit of salmonella in school 
lunch meats was withdrawn after the public reacted with loud 
gagging and retching noises.) 

I told the Senator about Phyllis Glazer, the cancer victim and 
pollution fighter, and her complaint that Washington access 
required big bucks donations. 

"Well, it's easy for the press to take some victim and make her 
a poster girl. The reality is individuals in a country with 300 
million people have very little opportunity to speak to the 
President of the United States." 

But what about Pioneer Lay of Enron Corp? His company, 
America's number one power speculator is also Dubya's number 
one political career donor. Lay was personal advisor to Bush 
during the post-election  transition.' And his company held a 
private meeting with the Energy Plans' drafters. Bush's 
protecting electricity deregulation has meant a big payday for 
Enron, profit up $87 million this quarter. 

The Senator is nothing if not candid. "So you wouldn't have 
access if you had spent 2 years of your life working hard to 
get this guy 
elected President raising hundreds of thousands of dollars?" In 
case I didn't understand, he translated it into Texan. "Ya' 
dance 
with them what brung ya'!" 

I couldn't argue with that. If President Bush chose to two-step 
with Lay of Enron instead of Phyllis Glazer, well, let's be 
honest, Phyllis ain't much on the dance floor these days. 

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Date: Fri Sep 20 14:28:16 2002

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SILENCE OF THE MEDIA LAMBS: The Election Story Never Told
www.tompaine.com
Thursday, May 24, 2001

  
 
Editor's Note: Investigative reporting about voting rights 
violations in the U.S. have been page one news -- in Britain. 
Palast is fighting mad about the lack of interest shown by U.S. 
outlets in stories that are making waves worldwide. His report 
on what happened to his reporting is the latest 
media "whistleblower" story on MediaChannel, where this story 
first appeared. 


Here's how the president of the United States was elected: In 
the months leading up to the November balloting, Florida 
Governor Jeb Bush and his Secretary of State, Katherine Harris, 
ordered local elections supervisors to purge 64,000 voters from 
voter lists on the grounds that they were felons who were not 
entitled to vote in Florida. As it turns out, these voters 
weren't felons, or at least, only a very few were. However, the 
voters on this "scrub list" were, notably, African-American 
(about 54 percent), while most of the others wrongly barred 
from voting were white and Hispanic Democrats. 


Beginning in November, this extraordinary news ran, as it 
should, on Page 1 of the country's leading paper. 
Unfortunately, it was in the wrong country: Britain. In the 
United States, it ran on page zero -- that is, the story was 
not covered on the news pages. The theft of the presidential 
race in Florida also was given big television network coverage. 
But again, it was on the wrong continent: on BBC television, 
London. 


Was this some off-the-wall story that the Brits misreported? A 
lawyer for the U.S. Civil Rights Commission called it the first 
hard evidence of a systematic attempt to disenfranchise black 
voters; the commission held dramatic hearings on the evidence. 
While the story was absent from America's news pages (except, I 
grant, a story in the Orlando Sentinel and another on C-Span), 
columnists for the New York Times, Boston Globe and Washington 
Post cited the story after seeing a U.S. version on the 
Internet magazine Salon.com. As the reporter on the story for 
Britain's Guardian newspaper (and its Sunday edition, the 
Observer) and for BBC television, I was interviewed on several 
American radio programs, generally "alternative" stations on 
the left side of the dial. 

How did a hundred thousand U.S. journalists fail to get the 
vote theft story and print it?
Interviewers invariably asked the same two questions, "Why was 
this story uncovered by a British reporter?" And, "Why was it 
published in and broadcast from Europe?" 

I'd like to know the answer myself. That way I could understand 
why I had to move my family to Europe in order to print and 
broadcast this and other crucial stories about the American 
body politic in mainstream media. The bigger question is not 
about the putative brilliance of the British press. I'd rather 
ask how a hundred thousand U.S. journos failed to get the vote 
theft story and print it (and preferably before the election). 


Think about "investigative" reporting. The best investigative 
stories are expensive to produce, risky and upset the wisdom of 
the established order. Do profit-conscious enterprises, whether 
media companies or widget firms, seek extra costs, extra risk 
and the opportunity to be attacked? Not in any business text 
I've ever read. I can't help but note that the Guardian and 
Observer is the world's only leading newspaper owned by a not-
for-profit corporation, as is BBC television. 


But if profit-lust is the ultimate problem blocking significant 
investigative reportage, the more immediate cause of comatose 
coverage of the election and other issues is what is laughably 
called America's "journalistic culture." If the Rupert Murdochs 
of the globe are shepherds of the new world order, they owe 
their success to breeding a flock of docile sheep, the editors 
and reporters snoozy and content with munching on, digesting, 
then reprinting a diet of press releases and canned stories 
provided by officials and corporation public relations 
operations. 


Take this story of the list of Florida's faux felons that cost 
Al Gore the election. Shortly after the UK and Salon stories 
hit the worldwide web, I was contacted by a CBS network news 
producer ready to run their own version of the story. The CBS 
hotshot was happy to pump me for information: names, phone 
numbers, all the items one needs for a quickie TV story. 


I also freely offered up to CBS this information: The office of 
the governor of Florida, brother of the Republican presidential 
candidate, had illegally ordered the removal of the names of 
felons from voter rolls -- real felons, but with the right to 
vote under Florida law. As a result, thousands of these legal 
voters, almost all Democrats, would not be allowed to vote. 


One problem: I had not quite completed my own investigation on 
this matter. Therefore CBS would have to do some actual work, 
reviewing documents and law, and obtaining statements. The next 
day I received a call from the producer, who said, "I'm sorry, 
but your story didn't hold up." Well, how did the multibillion-
dollar CBS network determine this? Why, "we called Jeb Bush's 
office." Oh. And that was it. 


I wasn't surprised by this type of "investigation." It is, in 
fact, standard operating procedure for the little lambs of 
American journalism. One good, slick explanation from a 
politician or corporate chieftain and it's case closed, 
investigation over. The story ran anyway: on BBC-TV. Let's 
understand the pressures on the CBS producer that led her to 
kill the story on the basis of a denial by the target of the 
allegations. (Though let's not confuse understanding with 
forgiveness.) 


First, the story is difficult to tell in the usual 90 seconds 
allotted for national reports. The BBC gave me a 14-minute slot 
to explain it. 


Second, the story required massive and quick review of 
documents, hundreds of phone calls and interviews, hardly a 
winner in the slam-bam-thank-you-ma'am school of U.S. 
journalism. The BBC gave me two weeks to develop the story. 


Third, the revelations in the story required a reporter to 
stand up and say the big name politicians, their lawyers and 
their PR people were freaking liars. It would be much easier, 
and a heck of a lot cheaper, to wait for the U.S. Civil Rights 
Commission to do the work, then cover the Commission's canned 
report and press conference. Wait! You've watched "Murphy 
Brown," so you think reporters hanker every day to uncover the 
big scandal. Bullshit. Remember, All the President's Men was so 
unusual they had to make a movie out of it. 


Fourth, investigative reports require taking a chance. 
Fraudsters and vote-riggers don't reveal all their evidence. 
And they lie. Make the allegation and you are open to attack, 
or unknown information that may prove you wrong. No one ever 
lost their job writing canned statements from a press 
conference. 


Fifth -- and this is no small matter -- no one ever got sued 
for not running an investigative story. Let me give you an 
example close to home. The companion report to my investigation 
of the theft of the election in Florida was a story about Bush 
family finances. I wrote in the Guardian and Observer of London 
about the gold-mining company for which the first President 
George Bush worked after he left the White House. Oh, you 
didn't know that George H. W. Bush worked for a gold-mining 
company after he lost to Bill Clinton in 1992? Well, maybe it 
has to do with the fact that this company has a long history of 
suing every paper that breathes a word it does not like -- in 
fact, it has now sued my papers. I've gotten awards and 
thousands of letters for these stories, but, honey, that don't 
pay the legal bills. 


Finally, there's another little matter working against U.S. 
reporters running after the hard stories, papers printing them 
or TV broadcasting the good stuff. I'll explain by way of my 
phone call with a great reporter, Mike Isikoff of Newsweek. 
Just before the elections, Isikoff handed me some exceptionally 
important information about President Clinton, material 
suggesting corruption in office -- the real stuff, not the 
interns-under-the-desk stuff. I said, "Mike, why the hell don't 
you run it yourself?" and he said, "Because no one gives a 
shit!" Isikoff was expressing his exasperation with the news 
chiefs who kill or bury these stories on page 200 on the belief 
that the public really doesn't want to hear all this bad and 
very un-sexy news. These lambchop editors believe the public 
just doesn't care. 


But they're wrong. When I ran my first story in the London 
Observer about the theft of the Florida vote, Americans by the 
thousands flooded our Internet site. They set a record for hits 
before the information-hungry hordes blew down our giant server 
computers. When BBC ran the story, viewership of the webcast 
of "Newsnight" grew by 10,000 percent as a result of Americans 
demanding to see what they were denied on their own tubes. 
Obviously, some Americans care. 


And it's for them that I say, This is Greg Palast reporting 
from exile. 




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Date: Fri Sep 20 14:42:36 2002

Message:
http://www.alternewswire.com/

From: G.W.Bush
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 14:39:24 2002

Message:
"But Jeb, what do you mean you can't rig ..er I mean plan 
another election for me?"

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War on terror: FBI  guilty of cover-up  over anthrax suspect 

NICK PETERS IN WASHINGTON 


AMERICAN investigators know the identity of the killer who 
paralysed the US by sending anthrax in the post but will not 
arrest the culprit, according to leading US scientists. 

For several months the Federal Bureau of Investigation has 
claimed it has few leads and little evidence about the group or 
individual who targeted politicians and media organisations. 

Their failure to arrest a suspect has compounded other failures 
of the American security agencies to take action which could 
have prevented the September 11 attacks on the Twin Towers and 
the Pentagon. 

This week, the FBI and John Ashcroft, the attorney general, 
were at the centre of controversy when they claimed that they 
had apprehended an American citizen intent on detonating 
a   dirty bomb  , a conventional bomb which would contaminate a 
large area with radioactive material. Both were forced to admit 
that there was no evidence that Jose Padile had done little 
more than associate with suspected al-Qaeda agents in Pakistan. 

Last week scientists at Fort Detrick, the US Army s top secret 
biological warfare research centre at Fort Detrick, Maryland 
said the FBI had looked at ways in which anthrax could have 
been smuggled out of the complex. 

At a time when the Bush administration is beefing up America s 
Homeland Security defences any indication of progress by the 
FBI should be good news, but one prominent and well-respected 
biowarfare expert believes the FBI has not only known the 
identity of the terrorist for months but has conspired with 
other branches of the US government to keep it secret. 

Dr Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, director of the biological warfare 
division at the Federation of American Scientists, first 
accused the FBI of foot-dragging in February with a scathing 
investigation that included a portrait of the possible 
perpetrator so detailed that it could only match one person. 

Rosenberg said she knows who that person is and so do a top-
level clique of US government scientists, the CIA, the FBI and 
the White House. 

"Early in the investigation," Rosenberg told Scotland on 
Sunday, "a number of inside experts, at least five that I know 
about, gave the FBI the name of one specific person as the most 
likely suspect. That person fits the FBI profile in most 
respects. He has the right skills, experience with anthrax, up-
to-date anthrax vaccination, forensic training, and access to 
the US Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases 
(AMRIID) and its biological agents through 2001." 
  
 
 Dr Barbara Hatch Rosenberg says she knows who the terrorist 
is  
 
 

Rosenberg s profile suggests that the suspect is a middle-aged 
scientist with a doctoral degree who works for a CIA contractor 
in Washington DC. She adds he has to know or have worked 
closely with Bill Patrick, the weapons researcher who holds 
five secret patents on how to produce weapons-grade anthrax, 
that he suffered a career setback last summer that embittered 
him and precipitated his campaign and that he has already been 
investigated by the FBI. 

Most crucially, she believes the suspect has in the past 
actually conducted experiments for the government to test the 
response of the police and civil agencies to a bioterror 
attack. 

"It has been part of the suspect s job to devise bioterror 
scenarios," Rosenberg said. "Some of these are on record. He is 
known to have acted out at least one of them, in hoax form, 
perhaps as part of an assignment to test responses. Some hoax 
events that have never been solved, including several hoax-
anthrax events, also correspond to his scenarios and are 
consistent with his whereabouts." 

The question she wants the FBI and the Bush administration to 
answer is, why it has taken so long to arrest this man? In the 
unlikely event that the government divulges all it knows about 
what she now believes to be a full blown cover-up, Rosenberg 
said responsibility can be expected to fall on a number of 
government agencies, all with a vested interest in shielding 
the truth. 

"Either the FBI is under pressure from the Pentagon or CIA not 
to proceed because the suspect knows too much and must be 
controlled forever from the moment of arrest," she said, "or 
the FBI is sympathetic to the views of the biodefence clique or 
the FBI really is as incompetent as it seems." 

Rosenberg s analysis suggests a combination of all three. The 
American defence establishment guards its secrets well and 
given the suspect s covert work on their behalf their 
reluctance to see him publicly exposed appears natural. 

Equally there is evidence that some of the suspect s colleagues 
are not unhappy with the fallout from his terror attacks. 
Rosenberg cites David Franz, a former commander of USAMRIID who 
earlier this year said of the anthrax campaign: "I think a lot 
of good has come from it. From a biological or a medical 
standpoint, we ve now five people who have died, but we ve put 
about $6bn in our budget into defending against bioterrorism." 

As for FBI incompetence there are few in America today who have 
any doubt that the venerable agency made a serious of terrible 
errors before 9/11 and has conspicuously failed to conduct a 
solid investigation since. 

Earlier this week, congressmen questioned George Tenet, the 
director of the CIA, about the arrest of Padile and the claims 
made about his mission. The congressmen were concerned that the 
attorney general was unduly alarmist about the nature of the 
plans Padile had made. 

It appeared that Padile s arrest was announced to bolster the 
image of the FBI and emphasise the continuing threat to the US. 
Instead the announcement raised questions about why Padile was 
arrested on arriving in the US rather than being watched to 
establish the identity of his associates and the source of the 
radioactive material he would need for a dirty bomb. 

George Soros, the billionaire financier, accused the Bush 
administration of deliberately manipulating the aftermath of 
September 11 and the arrest of Padile to promote an 
authoritarian agenda. 

 "I feel that what happened was that Ashcroft (the attorney 
general) basically detonated a  dirty bomb  plot. The plot is 
his. The detonation is his. The Bush administration is 
exploiting the terrorist threat for its purposes, to generate 
fear and to overcome constitutional constraints on the use of 
force,   he said.


This article: 

  http://www.news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=655812002 

More War on terror: 

  http://www.news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=1 

Websites: 

  Afghan Network
  http://www.afghan-network.net/ 

  Iraqi Presidency
  http://www.uruklink.net/iraq/ 

  North Korea News Agency
  http://www.kcna.co.jp/ 

  Presidency of the Islamic Republic of Iran
  http://www.president.ir/ 

  The war in context
  http://warincontext.org/ 

  UK Ministry of Defence
  http://www.mod.uk/ 

  US Department of Defense
  http://www.defenselink.mil/ 

  

From:
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Date: Fri Sep 20 14:51:23 2002

Message:
The Palestinians claim Arafat is in real danger

Israeli forces besieging Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat have 
been systematically destroying buildings at his West Bank 
compound. 
Mr Arafat remains confined to an office deep inside his 
battered headquarters in Ramallah - described by a BBC 
correspondent at the scene, Barbara Plett, as resembling a 
lonely island in a sea of rubble
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2270655.stm

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Date: Fri Sep 20 14:55:55 2002

Message:
From: Los Lobos 
To: polliwog (aka fuckstick) 
Date: Fri Sep 20 14:03:35 2002 
Message:
I am ashamed at what we did to the Sticky Fingers message 
board.  I know now that we are no life losers whose greatest 
accomplishment is taking down a second rate rock band's message 
board.  I know we try this all of the time with the afghan-
government board but what we don't realize is that we can never 
destroy this board.  We must accept our fate as losers and go 
perform a ritual suicide to rid the world of our no pussy 
getting virgin asses.  I wish a girl would just hold me for 
once.  I guess I will have to settle for you holding me 
polliwog.  I love you.

From:
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Date: Fri Sep 20 14:55:47 2002

Message:
Bin Laden's hunter O'Neill was killed at WTC: Was he also a 
casualty of the Bush administration? 

Until he resigned, in August of 2001, John O'Neill was the 
director of antiterrorism for the FBI's New York office. 
O'Neill had worked on the investigations of the first WTC 
bombing in 1993 and the attacks on the American embassies in 
Africa in 1998. He became one of the world's top experts on 
Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. O'Neill believed that "All the 
answers, everything needed to dismantle Osama bin Laden's 
organization can be found in Saudi Arabia." Yet the Bush 
administration blocked O'Neill's efforts to investigate the 
Saudi ties to bin Laden. The main obstacles to investigating 
Islamic terrorism, asserted O'Neill, were US oil corporate 
interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia in it. 

For example, Bush blocked an FBI investigation of the bin Laden 
family and kept his family's business ties to the bin Ladens as 
secret as possible. Among these business dealings were bin 
Laden investments in the Carlyle Group and connections between 
bin Laden and George W. Bush's first oil companies. It must 
have truly enraged O'Neill if he knew that Osama bin Laden had 
flown to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American 
hospital, where he was visited by local CIA agent Larry 
Mitchell on July 12. 

O'Neill was very well aware of the warnings that came out in 
the summer of 2001. But it was obvious that he was considered 
more of a liability than an asset to the oil-obsessed Bush 
administration. Back in 2000, O'Neill had been investigating 
the bombing of the SS Cole, for which he was sure bin Laden was 
responsible. However, the US ambassador to Yemen, one Barbara 
Bodine, hamstrung FBI efforts at every turn, publicly calling 
O'Neill a liar, refusing to allow his men to be armed with more 
than small handguns and, in general, crippling the 
investigation. Although Bodine claims she was trying to keep 
diplomatic relations running smoothly, her history shows 
otherwise: 

Barbara Bodine has served primarily under rightwing old boys 
and in areas where their oil interests are being served. Under 
Reagan she served as Deputy Principle Officer in Baghdad, Iraq. 
Under Bush, Sr., she served as Deputy Chief of Mission in 
Kuwait and was there during the Gulf War. She has also worked 
for Bob Dole, and far more ominously, for Henry Kissinger. Now, 
under Bush, Jr., she is in Yemen impeding an FBI investigation 
that focused on the son of a Bush family business associate. 

What makes Bodine's actions toward O'Neill particularly 
despicable is that she was said to be in part to blame for the 
Cole disaster. Even though she had been warned that the risk of 
attacks on Americans in the Yemen area were extremely high at 
that time, the Cole entered port under the lowest grade of 
security permitted in the Middle East with no warning to the 
destroyer. A top military analyst for the Pentagon's Defense 
Intelligence Agency quit in protest the day after the bombing 
because of Bodine and General Anthony Zinn's decision to allow 
the Cole to come into the port. 

In July, Bodine had O'Neill and the FBI barred from Yemen. 
About that time, O'Neill's name had been proposed by Richard 
Clarke as Clarke's successor as terrorism czar at the National 
Security Council. But a very mysterious incident that had 
happened nearly a year before was dredged up and used to blow 
that possibility out of the water. In November of 2000, at a 
retirement seminar in Tampa, O'Neill left his briefcase for a 
few moments in the convention room to go around the corner to 
use the phone. When he returned in a few minutes, the brief 
case, containing some papers considered classified, was gone. 
It soon turned up, but the incident was seized upon as an 
excuse to guarantee O'Neill would not get promoted. Was it a 
real theft? Or a set up to squeeze out the man who asked too 
many questions about Saudis and oil? O'Neill had finally had 
enough and quit. 

Meanwhile, from February through August, the entire time that 
the danger from bin Laden was the greatest, Bush was focusing 
most of his efforts on persuading the Taliban to allow him and 
his oil pals put a pipeline through Afghanistan. Bush wanted to 
swipe the oil-rich Caspian region from Russian control. Back 
when Bush thought he could cut a deal with the Taliban, he did 
not consider them "evil." In fact, back when he smelled an easy 
deal in the wind, Bush described the Taliban's repressive 
regime as "a source of stability in Central Asia" that would 
enable the construction of an oil pipeline. So, in Spring of 
2001, in Texas oil wheeling-dealing style, Bush handed $43 
million in taxpayer dollars over to the Taliban to sweeten the 
pot. Still, however, there was no deal. 

Laila Helms, the niece of former CIA director Richard Helms, 
worked as a public relations coordinator for the Taliban at 
this time. According to Helms, the Taliban offered to turn over 
bin Laden or provide the coordinates of his whereabouts. 
However, apparently under Bush's orders, the State Department 
refused this deal  a deal that would have removed Bush's best 
trump terrorist card from his stacked deck. Instead, on August 
2, State Department officials met with Taliban reps in 
Islamabad and there delivered this ultimatum: give us what we 
want for the oil companies and we will "carpet your with gold." 
If you don't, "we will bury you beneath a carpet of bombs." The 
Taliban still held out. 

Four days later, Bush was given the warning that could have, if 
acted upon, saved 3,000 American lives and the thousands of 
civilian lives lost in Afghanistan since October. Instead, he 
chose to ignore it. 

In early September, O'Neill took a job at the WTC as head of 
security there. Right before the disaster, he told friends he 
felt sure an attack was imminent and that he feared that 
terrorists would try to finish the job they had begun in 1993 
to destroy the WTC. John O'Neill was in the first tower when it 
was hit. He was on his way into the second tower to help 
evacuate people when he was killed. 

O'Neill must have sensed  the best detectives have that 
uncanny "sixth sense"  that something very big, very horrendous 
might go down and that he might not survive. In June and July, 
2001 he met with French intelligence analyst Jean-Charles 
Brisard (in June in Paris and in July in New York City). 
O'Neill confided much of what he knew about the bin Laden 
situation and Bush to Brisard  a fellow intelligence officer, 
but one who was not under the Bush administration's thumb. 
Brisard and his associate Guillaume Dasqui , an intelligence 
analyst and the editor of Intelligence Online, dedicated their 
book "Bin Laden: the Forbidden Truth" (released in France in 
November 2001) to O'Neill. The book has been vigorously avoided 
by US publishers and everyone in the mainstream US press except 
Paula Zahn, who has presented excerpts of it. 

History will be kind to John O'Neill. It will not be kind to 
George W. Bush. 

http://web11.superb.net/www.nodomain.com/editorials/smoking_gun.
html

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Date: Fri Sep 20 15:06:52 2002

Message:
Pentagon Tragedy: A Plot that Keeps on Thickening 

One of the things that has bothered me since the morning of 
9/11 is how little attention the Pentagon tragedy received. All 
you could hear screamed from the media and White House for 
months was WTC! WTC! WTC! Heroes of Flight 93! Heroes of Flight 
93! It was an endless litany  education through repetition. In 
fact, 9/11 became synonymous, almost forcibly, with the WTC. 
Yet, over 200 people died at the Pentagon, including the ill-
fated passengers on Flight 77, right at the heart of the city. 
Why so little focus on this tragedy? I believe that of all the 
events of 9/11, the crash of Flight 77 into the Pentagon was 
the most telling, it was the hottest, smokiest of the smoking 
guns. The key to the whole mystery may well lie in this five-
sided building built by FDR's administration. First, here's a 
little long-overdue background on the Pentagon. 

The history of the Pentagon 

When war broke out in Europe in 1939, even before the US 
entered the conflict, our War Department was gearing up for the 
possibility. However, there was no real home for the Department 
of Defense  it was scattered across DC in 17 different 
buildings. Back then, there wasn't a whole lot of red tape to 
cut through  when the green light was given to come up with a 
place to put the DOD, by God, they came up with a plan in four 
days! In this relative blink of an eye, Brigadier General 
Brehon B. Somervell developed a scheme for a three-story 
humongous complex capable of housing 40,000 workers (it later 
grew to five floors after WWII broke out). But, Somervell's 
plan for a five-sided structure was not, as one might expect, 
symbolic, or an effort to create a stylized giant chevron. 
Instead, it was the most practical idea that suggested itself: 
the 67-acre site chosen (a former Deptartment of Agriculture 
Farm on the Potomac) was bound on five sides by five existing 
roads. Voila! The Pentagon. Cost estimates for the original 
project was $35 million  about what a couple of out buildings 
for storing old munitions might cost now! Believe it or not, 
the project was considered highly controversial. Some 
complained that it took up land intended for the expansion of 
Arlington Cemetery. Others said the DOD shouldn't be housed 
outside the District of Columbia, while some (we jaded 21st 
centurians would have to laugh at this) complained that the 
cost was too high. 

One problem Congress wrangled over was what to do with the 
building once WWII was over. Although some wanted to turn it 
into a warehouse, most people assumed that the building would 
become a veterans' hospital. It is very telling that no one 
believed there would be a need for 40,000 defense department 
workers after the War. That was because no one foresaw that war 
was soon to become a way of life  in one form or the other  for 
Americans. This shift to an all-war (ours or someone else's we 
supply weapons for) all the time focus can be traced to the 
Cold War mentality that many in high places locked into during 
the 1950s and never left (and has never allowed the rest of us 
to leave). 

In any case, the classic monster of a building (over 5 million 
square feet!) that we call the Pentagon was begun in 1941 a few 
months before Pearl Harbor (the appropriations bill was signed 
by FDR in August 1941). Spurred to heroic efforts by the 
declaration of war in December, the construction crews  13,000 
men at one point  completed the building in an astounding 16 
months. As with all government projects, the final cost was 
nearly three times higher than first estimates (it came in at 
$83 million). Because a war was on, reinforced concrete was 
used instead of steel in most of the building's structure (in 
contrast to the WTC, which was a mass of steel beams). There 
were no elevators  instead, concrete ramps go between levels. 
The finished building consists of five nested concentric 
pentagons (called rings), with a 5-acre courtyard at the heart. 
The building is really a small town  with its own shopping 
concourse, banks, and even its own subway station. In 1993, the 
Clinton administration decided to upgrade the Pentagon, for 
many reasons, not least of which was the growing concern over 
terrorist attacks. In addition to new plumbing, the upgrade 
included putting in heavy duty fireproofing in the walls, 
reinforcing the walls, and improving security in general. The 
final reconstruction strategy called for the work to be divided 
into five "wedges," each wedge encompassing a corner and a 
rectangle of the Building. The first wedge to be tackled was 
the one facing west, covering 1.2 million square feet. By 
September 2000, work on this wedge was about 70% complete. The 
wedge was supposed to have been completely done by July 2001, 
but, as with rebuilding any old "house," more problems kept 
being uncovered. For example, all sorts of interesting goodies 
were found in the walls: a secure vault no one knew about, old 
whiskey bottles (hmm, wonder who went to such lengths to hide 
their booze!), and other items. Then of course, there were 
supports that needed more reinforcement, asbestos to be 
removed, etc. Among the improvements made to Wedge One: Blast 
resistant windows and brick backup walls behind the building's 
limestone outer facade. These inner walls contain a metal 
fabric mesh similar to the mesh used in vehicle air bags. This 
mesh was designed specifically to CONTAIN DEBRIS FRAGMENTS in 
the event of a blast. 

The bloody morning of September 11. 

On the morning of September 11, 2001, about 20,000 people were 
at work in the Pentagon. Almost no one was in Wedge one, except 
workers who were moving furniture in  the last step before the 
wedge was reopened for business. When the news of the planes 
hitting the WTC came, Pentagon personnel were horrified and 
clustered round radios and television sets to follow the 
coverage. One man remembered remarking to another worker that 
he feared the Pentagon was vulnerable to all types of terrorist 
assaults. Then, at 9:43, there was a huge explosion and fire 
and smoke rose from wedge one. By evening, it would be known 
that at least 180 people had been killed, including the 64 
passengers on Flight 77. 

So, what is wrong with the whole Pentagon disaster picture? For 
starters, here are a few interesting facts: 

As mentioned earlier, the Bush administration had PLENTY of 
information that would lead them to believe the Pentagon and 
other major national landmarks were at high risk of a terrorist 
attack, especially in the summer and fall of 2001. Many 
warnings had come over the previous 8 years that the Pentagon 
could be a target of a terrorist attack, not only that but part 
of a multiple-strike terrorist attack. In fact, this 
possibility seemed so plausible that in November 2000 a 
disaster response exercise was held by the Military District of 
DC that simulated a plane hitting the Pentagon. So, September 
11 finds Bush and several other key administrators safely 
removed from DC  Bush, at a Florida elementary school, is 
strategically NOWHERE NEAR a national landmark that morning. 
John Ashcroft has stopped flying on commercial airliners and is 
in the wilds of Missouri, via private jet, fishing. Cheney is 
at an "undisclosed location" (his bunker, probably). Jeb Bush, 
from September 7, has the Florida National Guard on standby. A 
collection of top CEOs of companies based at the WTC are 
attending a charity event at Offutt Air Base in Omaha at 8:00 
AM on 9/11 (rather odd time, doncha think?)  the same base to 
which Bush flees later in the same day. Rumsfeld is at the 
Pentagon  but in the wedge FURTHEST from what will be the point 
of impact. 

So, while the Bush administration and its pals were maneuvering 
into the safest possible positions, the folks at the Pentagon 
(and the workers and "expendable" CEOs at the WTC, of course) 
were left to their fate, no warning given to them at all. Given 
the above info on the administration's awareness of the threat 
to the Pentagon, it seems reasonable to expect that the MINUTE 
the news was heard about the WTC being hit that the Pentagon 
should have been evacuated IMMEDIATELY as a precaution until 
further notice. At the very least, after the SECOND TOWER was 
hit! At that point, the multiple-strike scenario should have 
been so hideously obvious. Yet the workers were left at their 
posts like sitting ducks. Was this incompetence, intent to 
kill, or was it something else? 

Let's try applying a different hypothesis and see how the 
pieces fit. HYPOTHESIS: That person or persons unknown in the 
Bush administration were involved in planning the attack on the 
Pentagon. Let's examine the likely objectives of the Perpetrator
(s) and their objectives according to this hypothesis compared 
to actual events. 

A. Minimize loss of life while creating a terrorist event of 
frightening proportions 

ACTUAL EVENTS: 1. Published reports following 9/11 say the 
number of passengers on all four hijacked flights was 
remarkably light  under half capacity. There were just 64 
people on Flight 77. (Possible modus operandi: One writer has 
theorized that a computer hacker could have manipulated the 
bookings for these flights in such a way that they would appear 
to have been full after a reasonable number of people and thus 
no more passengers could be accepted.) 

2. The plane struck the almost empty, but newly reinforced, 
fire resistant wedge. In fact, the plane underwent an elaborate 
maneuver to be able to line its trajectory up with Wedge One  
not only that, but to strike the newly reinforced, collapse-
resistant WALL in wedge one. A suicide pilot would likely have 
made a beeline for the building and done a nosedive into the 
top, which would have caused more damage. 

3. No one in the Pentagon had been put on alert  from the time 
of the Bush's receipt of the August 6 memo to the morning of 
9/11, when, for over 40 minutes, it was known that a hijacked 
plane-turned-bomb was in the air. 

CONCLUSION: In their own sick way, the perpetrators tried to 
keep the loss of life minimized. They kept the number of 
passengers on the planes to a minimum, then made sure the plane 
would hit Wedge One, a well-reinforced fire-resistant area 
where few people would be that day. In addition, they did not 
issue alerts because they assumed emergency evacuation might 
place workers in greater danger  many may actually have sought 
shelter, ironically, in the newly reinforced Wedge. (In an 
interesting side note, it has been pointed out by some 
observers that the planes that hit the WTC seemed to aim for 
the top 1/4 of the towers, as if to avoid destroying the towers 
and, again, in a bizarre, perverted way, to minimize loss of 
life). 

B. Eliminate any trace of the plane  a challenge because of the 
special mesh in the new wall designed to capture any debris. 

ACTUAL EVENTS: 1. Flight 77 was a Boeing 757, an aircraft that 
is about 60 feet long, with a wingspan of 125 feet. Yet, it 
appears to have left essentially not a trace of material inside 
the building. Brigadier General Arthur F. Diehl III, Air Force, 
gave this first hand account of the crash site: "No one could 
believe the catastrophic damage  it was horrible. A whole wedge 
had collapsed; the aircraft had penetrated about three of the 
five rings of the building. There wasn't a single piece of the 
jet to be seen anywhere". 

2. Several accounts and filmed shots of the event suggest an 
explosion OUTSIDE the wedge. Construction foreman Joe 
Harrington, standing in parking lot near the impact point 
said: "It seemed like it made impact just before the wedge. It 
was like a Hollywood movie or something." 

3. Although there was seismic activity associated with the WTC 
event and Flight 93, both of which involved direct impacts with 
a solid object, no significant seismic activity was recorded 
for the Pentagon explosion (lack of detected waves was 
confirmed by forensic seismologists with the US, Geological 
Survey). 

CONCLUSION: The plane exploded and was essentially vaporized 
the split second before actual impact with the wall. What 
actually struck and penetrated the Wedge was not the solid body 
of the plane but a fireball from the explosion  moving forward 
with the combined momentum of the moving plane and the 
explosion. Because the actual explosion occurred in the air and 
the destruction in the building was due to the fireball and to 
implosive forces and not a solid-solid impact, there was no 
seismic activity. 

3. You do not want this airplane intercepted or shot down, 
because your plot would be revealed if too much evidence 
becomes accessible (even in the form of plane fragments). 

ACTUAL EVENTS: 1. The transponder in this plane was turned off  
a move seen by investigators as a highly sophisticated action 
on the part of the hijackers. This renders the plane 
untraceable by ground control. (I believe there was another 
reason for this  see below). 

2. Even though it was known by about 08:55 that Flight 77 had 
been hijacked and that the Pentagon could be a target, no 
defensive moves were made to protect the Pentagon. F-16s were 
finally scrambled into the air, but too late. These planes, by 
the way, were scrambled out of Langley Airforce base. While 
Langley is about 130 miles southwest of the Pentagon, Bolling 
AFB just across the Potomac from the Pentagon, is at most 5 
miles southeast while Andrews is 10 miles. The Langley F-16 
left the ground two minutes before the Pentagon was hit. In any 
case, I find it extremely hard to believe that the most 
important military command structure in the US is not defended 
by surface to air missiles! I mean, we are supposed to believe 
that there are antiaircraft weapons atop the White House but 
NOT deployed anywhere near the Pentagon? Give us a break! 

4. You want to make absolutely sure that this is a precision 
hit  nothing left to chance. 

ACTUAL EVENTS: 1. Eyewitness observers say that Flight 77 
performed a 180-degree "G" turn before diving for the center of 
the long wall of Wedge One. The plane was estimated to be 
rocketing at an estimated speed of 400 mph. Several experienced 
pilots have claimed that the final maneuver of the 757 could 
not have been performed by a human pilot because of the 
tremendous G-forces that would have been exerted, rending even 
the simplest movements exceedingly difficult (picture your arms 
each suddenly weighing about 100 pounds and each finger about 
10). 

2. Eyewitnesses and the evidence of a security camera show a 
fiery explosion OUTSIDE the wall. 

3. The transponder was OFF. 

CONCLUSION: The plane was remotely controlled by a command 
transmitter system at least in the final minutes. There was an 
explosive device on board, which was detonated immediately 
before impact, probably remotely controlled as well. The 
timing, trajectory, etc, may have been generated by a software 
program of some sort that could work this out to the 
millisecond. The plane's own transponder would have had to have 
been turned off so that it's operation would not interfere with 
a second transponder placed aboard by the perpetrators  a 
transponder designed to pick up the signal of a command system 
transmitter operated somewhere in the area. Or, of course, the 
plane's own transponder was not actually off  it was just 
changed to a new setting. In any case, turning the transponder 
off would not have helped the hijackers to hide from the 
battery of sophisticated radars encircling DC, so this 
motivation (hiding from radars) does not make any sense. Here 
is a description of an advanced, "fully mobile" CTS built 
Systems Planning Corp, the CEO of whih is Bush's undersecretary 
of defense and long time Texas pal Dov Zakheim. 

More Disturbing 9/11 facts 

While the workers in the Pentagon who were to die on 9/11 were 
putting in their last week, serving their country at the 
nation's military nerve center, one of the co-perpetrators of 
WTC was walking the same halls, escorted as the special guest 
of the Bush administration. 

September 4: Lt. General Mahmoud Ahmad, former director of the 
ISI (the Pakistani version of the CIA), arrives in DC In the 
days leading up to 9/11. Ahmad spent time in the State 
Department, at CIA headquarters, and at the Pentagon. Not long 
before arriving in D.C., Ahmad had overseen the wiring of 
$100,000 to Mohammad Atta, one of the hijackers aboard one of 
the planes striking the WTC. This revelation was made in 
October, after 9/11 by Indian intelligence sources and reported 
in the Times of India. The news was not reported by US 
officials or American journalists. 

What does India know? 

September 9: While Ahmad was in DC, Commander Ahmad Shah 
Masood, leader of the Afghan Northern Alliance, was 
assassinated by persons connected to the ISI. The 47-year old 
Masood was a wildly popular, charismatic leader known to 
Afghans as the "Lion of Panjsher." His biggest goal: the true 
freedom and independence of Afghans. Fiercely independent and 
anti-interventionist, he would most certainly have opposed the 
Bush administration's war plans and would not have played ball 
with any oil pipeline scheme. The Cold War Clan (as I call the 
Bushes, Kissinger, Rumsfeld and the rest of the power-hungry 
old fossils in charge) have never had a use for charismatic 
leaders  look what happened to Allende...or Kennedy, for that 
matter. 

From all of the accumulated evidence, there is little doubt in 
my mind that Indian intelligence has the goods on the Bush 
administration. It was Indian intelligence that "discovered" 
the links between ISI's Mahmoud Ahmad and the WTC attacks. We 
suspect this connection was, of course, already known to the 
Bush administration, which, for all anyone knows, supplied the 
$100,000. But, according to several sources, Indian 
intelligence knows far more than this. One Dehli government 
source told a reporter with Agence France Press last 
October: "The evidence we have supplied to the US [re: the ISI-
WTC connection] is of a much wider range and depth than just 
one piece of paper linking a rogue general to some misplaced 
act of terrorism." So, if India is the potential source of 
Bush's downfall, then what better way to silence India than to 
threaten her, via our now totally dependent "ally" Pakistan 
(complete with its fraudulently elected president), with 
nuclear annihilation? Alternatively, is this latest "global 
world crisis" merely yet another Bush-engineered ploy designed 
to divert attention away from the real danger  THE BUSH 
ADMINISTRATION? By inducing Musharraf to trump up 
a "confrontation" with India and convincing the world that 
nuclear war may be impending, Rumsfeld and Bush can appear 
to "ride" to the rescue...it also affords them a slick way to 
get US troops out of the area. In short, whatever this latest 
scenario is, you can be sure it isn't what it appears to be. 
Like everything else about this administration. 

FINAL TIMELINE: The Events, Planes and Players of September 11. 
Putting It All Together 

Psychologists say during the Vietnam war, soldiers were more 
prone to PTSD than their WWII counterparts in large part 
because of the way post-action reentry was handled. Vietnam 
vets were shuffled from the front right back to the states -
usually alone, and expected to jump right into life, but often 
in an atmosphere of tension where they were viewed with 
suspicion and contempt. There was no time for real healing. The 
nation was in turmoil; home was not a peaceful place. 

I believe that since 9/11, Americans have been suffering from a 
case of collective PTSD. After 9/11, Bush immediately seized on 
America's fears - instead of helping the nation to heal, to be 
TRULY united, he whipped up anger, fanned paranoia, created a 
much deeper divide while forcing people to feel they must give 
lip service to the new "brand" of patriotism. We were wounded 
casualties with nowhere to go to lick our wounds, no atmosphere 
of hope and security to help soothe our minds and spirits. 
Instead, we were under constant attack - just like Vietnam vets 
on those endless missions in the jungle that never seemed to 
gain any real ground. There was one vague threat after the 
other; one basic right after the other stripped away leaving us 
to feel chronically uneasy. 

Then there was the war against Afghanistan. This frenzy of 
revenge forced us to mobilize and to push aside any misgivings 
or (for some of us), to suffer sleepless nights worrying about 
the consequences of a war we felt was wrong. The weeks, then 
months, following 9/11 were, in short, a period of relentless 
stress for all Americans. As a result, many people now say they 
can't really remember what the specific events were surrounding 
9/11 -some can't even remember seeing the time line, though 
timelines were run in nearly every newspaper and magazine right 
after the tragedy. 

I think this stress-amnesia syndrome may very well be why 
George Bush has had such a cakewalk until recently. He took 
advantage of an entire nation that was numbed by shock and 
grief and unable to defend itself as it might otherwise have 
done. In short, we couldn't see the sleight of hand through the 
blur of tears. 

Now we are coming to, shaking off the fog that has confused us 
and seeing the facts clearly -for the first time, really, it 
seems. 

Here, presented as clearly as possible for Americans ready to 
look with cooler heads and drier eyes are the events, players 
and planes of 9/11. 

Who Was Responsible for What on the Day of September 11, 2001? 

The responsibility for protecting America's skies from 
terrorist attack falls upon the North American Aerospace 
Defense Command (NORAD, also simply called the "Space 
Command."). Established in 1958, NORAD is a US-Canadian command 
that provides warning of missile and air attack against both 
member nations, according to the organization's Web site. In 
the Eastern US, NORAD has at its disposal, several Air Force 
Bases from which F-16s and F-15s can be scrambled at a moment's 
notice. Among these bases are Otis AFB in Cape Cod, Mass, 
Hancock AFB in Syracuse, NY -home of the 174 Fighter Wing of F-
16's- Andrews AFB just outside DC, and Langley AFB in Eastern 
Virginia. NORAD's mission statement on its website states: 

"The Northeast Air Defense Air Sector's area of responsibility 
covers more than one-half million square miles of airspace 
including that over New York City; Washington, D.C.; Chicago 
and other major metropolitan areas." 

THE CHAIN OF COMMAND DURING A TERRORIST ATTACK: 

A: The FAA reports hijackings and other threats to NORAD's 
First Air Force Commander, who is based in Tyndall, FLA. On 
Sept. 11, this was Gen. Larry K. Arnold. 

B: The First Air Force Commander then relays this info to The 
Commander in Chief (CINC) of NORAD. On 9/11, this was Gen. 
Ralph "Ed" Eberhardt 

C: In a grave situation where force seems warranted, the CINC 
reports to the Commander in Chief......George Bush. Also 
notified are Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and acting 
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Richard B. Myers 

The fact that NORAD was well aware that a major attack was a 
possibility is made obvious by the command's planning, well 
before Sept. 11, for a major exercise, slated for June 4, 2002. 
This is from a NORAD announcement: 

"On June 4, 2002, the North American Aerospace Defense Command 
(NORAD) will sponsor a multi-agency, bi-national exercise, 
Amalgam Virgo 02, involving an airborne terrorism scenario over 
the United States and Canada. The exercise, which was planned 
prior to the events of Sept. 11, is designed to allow many US 
and Canadian agencies to test, improve and validate their 
coordination and operational procedures." 

Regardless of what warnings Bush may have received, NORAD was 
well aware of the threat to American skies. 


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The Planes and Players of 9/11 

THE PLANES 

F-16: (Fighting Falcon) From USAF Fact Sheet: "The F-16 
Fighting Falcon is a compact, multi-role fighter aircraft. It 
is highly maneuverable and has proven itself in air-to-air 
combat and air-to-surface attack his highly maneuverable 
aircraft." The craft can go from zero to 500 mph in about 2 
minutes. It's top speed is about 1,500 mph, while its typical 
cruising speed is nearly 600 mph. In other words, if a plane 
had been scrambled from Andrews, just 10 miles away as the crow 
(or F-16) flies, it would have been able to engage Flight 77 
within 15 minutes from the time the call came in. To decide to 
scramble a plane out of Langley seems to indicate just one 
thing: help was intentionally delayed by 10 minutes. 

F-15 (Eagle): (from Air Force Fact Sheet): "The F-15 Eagle is 
an all- weather, extremely maneuverable, tactical fighter 
designed to permit the Air Force to gain and maintain air 
superiority in aerial combat." This plane can reach a maximum 
astounding speed of 1,875 mph. 

The time required from the notification to scramble to one of 
these planes being airborne and at top speed is about 12-15 
minutes. 

THE PLAYERS 

The Bush administration had in place, on Sept. 11 in the top 
five posts relevant to the terrorist attack, men who totally 
support the administration's vision for a "Star Wars" style 
military, for the militarization of space and the merging of 
the military with domestic law enforcement agencies into one 
big "Homeland Security" entity. The five top players were: 
Larry K. Arnold, First Air Force Commander of NORAD, Ralph "Ed" 
Eberhardt, Commander-in-Chief of NORAD, Richard B. Myers, 
Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of Defense, and George W. Bush. 

George W. Bush: Guess we don't need to add much here, except to 
say that Bush did not make it plain to the public at any time 
since 9/11 that HE was the person that, according to the 
established chain of command, called the final shots on 9/11. 

Donald Rumsfeld: Of course, we know all about Mr. Rumsfeld's 
lust for power. He is a good pal of Ralph Eberhardt and, in 
fact, in May of 2001, said Eberhardt was his first choice for 
chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Rumsfeld is one of the 
architects of the military-police complex. 

Larry K. Arnold: Has, since 9/11, helped in the push toward the 
militarization of America. On February 20, 2002, gave a talk 
on "Homeland Defense" at the SpaceComm 2002 conference in 
Colorado that had as its topic: "Shaping Information Operations 
and Space Leadership" i.e. -the extension of the military not 
just into the "Homeland," but into space. 

Ralph "Ed" Eberhardt: Eberhardt is a fanatical supporter of the 
Missile defense scheme and the militarization of space. In 
fact, in May, 2001, Eberhardt said in a speech that he believed 
control of space was America's "destiny"! Eberhardt is also an 
enthusiastic supporter of the merging of law enforcement and 
the military and making technology such as military spy 
satellites available to police. 

Richard B. Myers: Less than three weeks after Bush received the 
now- famous memo of August 6, Myers was named by Bush to the 
top post in the US military: Chairman of Joints Chief of Staff. 
This is what a non-American (and thus less spun) news source 
(Pravda) had to say about that appointment: "Gen. Myers was 
chosen for the job precisely because his views are shared by 
both of his bosses, President George W. Bush and Secretary of 
Defense Donald Rumsfeld. He is considered an active advocate of 
deploying the National Missile Defense program. He told a news 
conference that he would be working on the materialization of 
the idea "relentlessly" and "with his sleeves rolled up." Right 
after 9/11, Myers was caught in a lie when he claimed that no 
orders were given re: launching aircraft until AFTER the 
Pentagon was hit, "We did scramble fighter aircraft, AWACs, 
radar aircraft and tanker aircraft to begin to establish orbits 
in case other aircraft showed up in the FAA system that were 
hijacked. That order, to the best of my knowledge, was after 
the Pentagon was struck." However, Marine Corps Maj. Mike 
Snyder of NORAD told a Boston Globe reporter that the command 
had been told about the hijacking 10 minutes before the first 
plane hit the first World Trade Center tower. Snyder said the 
fighters remained on the ground until after the Pentagon was 
hit, even though "fighters routinely intercept aircraft." 

TIMELINE 

7:59: American airlines flight 11, a Boeing 767 takes off from 
Logan Airport in Boston with 92 people, headed for Los Angeles. 

8:01: United Airline Flight 93, a Boeing 757, bound for San 
Francisco, is delayed for 40 minutes on run way, with 45 people 
on Board. 

8:13: Boston Ground control loses contact with Flight 11 First 
red flag for Flight 11. 

8:14: United Flight 175, a Boeing 767, takes off from Logan for 
Los Angeles with 65 passengers. 

8:17: American Airlines Flight 77 (Boeing 757) leaves Dulles in 
D.C. headed for Los Angeles with 64 passengers. 

8:20: Flight 11 reaches the Hudson River in NY and stops 
transmitting its IFF signal. Second Red flag for flight 11. Had 
Bush put the airlines on high alert after August 6 when he 
received the warning, there is no doubt at all that these 
warnings would have evoked at very different response...if, 
indeed, the hijackers had even gotten that far (under a high 
alert, they very well may have been apprehended at the 
airports). 

8:24: Hijackers on Flight 11 accidentally broadcasts warning to 
the passengers over its radio: "Everything will be OK. If you 
try to make any moves, you'll endanger yourself and the 
airplane. Just stay quiet." Third Red Flag for flight 11. 

8:25: Boston air traffic controllers notify other air traffic 
control centers of hijacking. Why wasn't NORAD (North American 
Aerospace Defense Command) notified at this time? 

8:27: Flight 11 heads south toward Manhattan; flight attendant 
Betty Ong calls American Airlines reservations and reports that 
two flight attendants had been stabbed and a passenger had had 
his throat slashed. She identifies the seat numbers of the 
hijackers. Fourth red flag for flight 11 - this one a BLOODY 
RED and wildly waving, yet it will be about 10 minutes AFTER 
THIS before NORAD is notified. 

8:33: Last transmission from Flight 11: Hijacker is heard 
telling passengers not to move. 

8:38: Boston Air Traffic control notifies NORAD that Flight 11 
has been hijacked. 

8:42: Flight 175 is hijacked. It begins to make a U-turn over 
New Jersey, reading for its northward assault on Manhattan. 

8:42: Flight 93 takes off from Newark International Airport, 
headed for San Francisco. 

8:43: FAA notifies NORAD that Flight 175 has been hijacked. 

8:44: Two F-15 eagles are ordered scrambled out of Otis Air 
National Guard Base in Cape Cod. If NORAD had been notified (or 
was it??) at 8:27, when the plane was obviously hijacked and 
heading to NYC, an F-16 from Otis or Griffis would have been 
about 10 minutes from Manhattan at this point. In addition, 
since the WTC was high on the list of known targets, and since 
some of the warnings to Bush indicated airplanes could be used 
as "bombs," the WTC should have been given an alert and the 
building evacuated. If evacuation had started at 8:30, there 
would have been no one in the upper floors when the first plane 
hit and the loss of life would have been minimized. 

8:45: Flight 11 strikes WTC's north tower at the 80th floor. 

8:46: Flight 175 stops transmitting beacon signal. 

8:52: Two F-15 eagles take off from Otis. If F-15s had been 
scrambled from Otis at 8:27, they would now be in a position to 
engage the hijacked flight 175 headed for the WTC. 

8:56: Flight 77's transponder is cut. If F-15s had been 
scrambled from Otis at 8:27, they would now be in a position to 
engage the hijacked flight 175 headed for the WTC. 

9:00: United Airlines learns that Flight 93 flying over western 
PA may be in process of being hijacked. 

9:00: Flight 77 makes U turn and heads back for Washington. 
This is when the FAA should have notified NORAD, and NORAD 
should have ordered F-16s into the air FROM ANDREWS. If they 
had, by 9:15, F-16s may have been in a position to deflect 
Flight 77 AWAY from DC altogether. 

9:02: Flight 175 strikes the WTC at the 60th floor. 

9:16: FAA informs NORAD that Flight 93 may have been hijacked. 

9:17: Federal Aviation Administration closes all airports. 

9:24: FAA notifies NORAD that Flight 77 is hijacked. 

9:24: NORAD orders three F-16s scrambled from Langley. The 
timing here is absolutely diabolical. It is EXACTLY not enough 
time for either a jet from Langley, which will be 10 minutes 
too late, or one from Andrews, which would have had just about 
3 minutes between reaching the airspace over D.C. and dealing 
with the incoming Boeing 757. That Langley was chosen indicates 
a FEAR that in that 3 minutes a good pilot from Andrews just 
might have succeeded in aborting the disaster, despite the 
split second time frame. 

9:25: Air traffic controllers notify Secret Service as Flight 
77 makes dramatic maneuver just south of the Pentagon. 

9:29: Bush, at Booker Elementary school says an "apparent 
terrorist attack" under way. No orders are give to evacuate any 
buildings in D.C., or to even urge residents and workers to 
seek shelter. 

9: 40: Three F-16 fighting falcons take off from Langley. They 
reach Washington by 9:55, moving at least 550 mph. - the trip 
takes 14 minutes. The time from Andrews to D.C.: under 2 
minutes. The time from Bolling: almost instantaneous Not only 
is this a tragedy for the victims of the Pentagon, it was 
unspeakably cruel to those pilots, who, thanks to their delayed 
orders, have to live with the crushing feeling of having been 
15 minutes too late. Here is a description of Andrews from its 
website: "Training for air combat and operational airlift for 
national defense is the 113th's primary mission. However, as 
part of its dual mission, the 113th provides capable and ready 
response forces for the District of Columbia in the event of a 
natural disaster or civil emergency." Yet Bush chooses Langley. 

9:43: Plane crashes into Pentagon - a full 40 minutes after 
being reported hijacked and the likelihood of its being used as 
a weapon of mass destruction obvious. You will notice that now, 
everything seems to start happening - it seems as if everything 
were put on hold until the Pentagon was struck. 

9:45: White House Evacuates. 

9:57: Bush leaves Florida. 

10:05: South Tower of World Trade Center collapses. 

10:08: Armed agents deployed around White House. 

10:10: Penn plane crashes, part of Pentagon collapses. 

10:13-10:45: federal buildings in D.C. evacuated. 

10:28: WTC north tower collapses. 

10:46: Colin Powell heads for D.C. from Latin America. Again, 
notice that Powell is in Latin America, Bush is in Florida, 
Ashcroft in Missouri, and Rumsfeld in the part of the Pentagon 
most remote from the impact point. 

1:04: Bush speaks from Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. 

1:27: State of emergency declared in D.C. 

1:44: warships from VA are deployed to protect coastline. 

2:00: Bush at Offutt AFB in Omaha NE. - this is not revealed 
until almost 4:00 pm. Also at Offutt that day from 8:00 am on, 
are several CEOs -at a "charity event" that just happens to be 
held at a SECURE AIR FORCE BASE? And it just happens that 
several of the CEOs WOULD HAVE BEEN at the WTC had they not 
been at Offutt. 

6:54: Bush back in White House. 

8:30: Bush addresses nation. 

ADDITIONAL TIMELINE NOTES 

Oct. 1: Richard B. Myers Officially Becomes the Number One Man 
in the US Military. 

April 2002: Ralph Eberhardt is proposed as "supreme commander" 
of Northcom, the mega-military entity pushed for by the Bush 
Administration. 

Putting It All Together: 

Putting It All Together With the hotlines that exist between 
these offices, the time that it would take from the moment the 
FAA put in its call to Arnold for Bush to respond (allowing 2 
minutes tops per communication) would have been roughly 6 
minutes, plus or minus as minute or two. The FAA called NORAD 
at 8:38 am about the first hijacking. It was 6 minutes later - 
right within the above timing estimates made above -that two F-
15s were ordered - by Bush - to be scrambled from Otis AFB. The 
evidence clearly shows that Bush had decided AHEAD OF TIME how 
to handle Flight 77. The FAA call to NORAD that Flight 77 had 
been hijacked was made at 9:24 -it was at 9:24 that the order 
to scramble planes from LANGLEY was given. 

This means this move had already been authorized by BUSH. How 
could he have pre-authorized such a response unless he had 1) 
been told about the plane some minutes before when it was 
obvious to NORAD's radar system that the plane was headed for 
DC (NORAD did not require an active transponder on Flight 77 to 
track the plane), or 2) Bush knew before 9/11 that a plane 
would be hitting the Pentagon at around 9:45 am. Bush also had 
the authority, at all times after 8:44 (when he obviously gave 
his first orders re: Otis) to call for an evacuation of the WTC 
and, at the LATEST, by 9:24 to order federal buildings and 
landmarks in D.C. to be evacuated. Had he made these orders, 
hundreds of lives would have been saved. Even if the order to 
evacuate the second tower of the WTC had been made by 8:50, 
that precious 12 minutes would have made all the difference to 
hundreds of WTC workers. The Pentagon workers would have had 
nearly 15 minutes to evacuate if a call had come in by even 
9:30. 

Because he had seen the warnings throughout the summer, and the 
last, strongest one on August 6, he should have been completely 
prepared for every scenario he had been briefed on and read to 
take decisive, urgent action to save lives. But he didn't. 
Instead, as Pentagon workers sat at their desks or moved down 
the halls, oblivious to the impending danger, at 9:29, Bush had 
just finished reading the Hungry, Hungry Caterpillar and was 
getting ready to announce that an "apparent" terrorist attack 
was underway. Apparent? 

But let's take a look for a moment at the bigger picture: From 
the first, the plan of the Bush administration has been to 
extend military power into space while creating a domestic 
police state in the name of "Homeland Security. In this scheme, 
the line between military and police would be blurred. Elements 
of the CIA, which has traditionally worked more with the 
military, have now been folded into the FBI, while yet more 
restrictions on the power of the agencies over ordinary 
citizens have been removed. For a grim picture of where Bush et 
al were trying to take America as of August, 2001, see "The 
Next Battlefield," by Jack Hitt. Here's an excerpt fromthat 
article: 

"The political attention devoted to national missile defense, 
which is an updated version of President Reagan's Strategic 
Defensive Initiative, has obscured its larger purpose. 
According to the Strategic Master Plan, N.M.D. is but one part 
of a triad of technologies -along with improved space 
surveillance and anti-satellite offensive weaponry- that, the 
Air Force hopes, will lead to total "space control." George 
Friedman, an intelligence consultant and the author of "The 
Future of War," calls the national missile defense plan 
a "Trojan horse" for the real issue: the coming weaponization 
of space. The cost of expanding our space assets is only now 
beginning to show itself. Many of the specific systems for 
space have had their budgets increased in President (G.W.) 
Bush's first defense-spending." 

The three major proponents of this "new military": Richard B. 
Myers, Ralph Eberhardt, and Donald Rumsfeld. 

However, in the summer of 2001, the American public's support 
for the Bush administration's schemes, in general, was weak and 
waning fast. In August, 2001 Bush's approval rating had slumped 
to under 50%. However, within just a few weeks of 9/11, with 
virtually no opposition from Congress, Myers had been confirmed 
as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. By Nov. 2001, 
Homeland Security had been established, and the Patriot Act 
been passed. By April 2002 - Rumsfeld, Myers and Eberhardt had 
announced the formation of NORTHCOM, the mega military complex 
that consolidated their power Here's an excerpt from an April 
18, 2002 article in the Boston Globe: 

"Air Force General Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint 
Chiefs of Staff, who was responsible for drafting the new 
command plan -and who calls the establishment of the new 
command the most significant structural change in his 37 years 
in uniform- said yesterday that the Northern Command 
(NORTHCOM) 'takes the various homeland security missions being 
performed by various combatant commanders and some agencies and 
puts them under one commander [to] bring unity and focus to the 
mission.' Air Force General Ralph E. Eberhardt is slated to 
head the new command, which will also include oversight of 
NORAD and the territorial defense missions of the JFCOM." 

In short, 9/11 was used as a springboard for the pre-9/11 Bush 
scheme. The steps taken in the name of Homeland security that 
were done in the name of 9/11 were actually already planned 
well before that event. It was the event that made it possible 
to implement them. If you want to get an idea of where this 
merger between the military and law enforcement is headed, how 
about this statement made by Ralph Eberhardt at the Space 
Symposium held in Colorado Springs in early 2002: "Over time we 
can leverage our space assets to support homeland security and 
law enforcement. " So, for example, does this mean the use of 
military satellites to spy on citizens? 

Now ponder this point: Since Bush took office, he has richly 
rewarded every single person who helped him substantially, 
usually with top posts or the legislation they wanted. After 
9/11, we see Myers and Eberhardt moving up into top posts of 
incredible power. What were they being rewarded for? 

Now, back to 9/11. The simple fact is, if Bush had not ignored 
the August 6 (and earlier) warnings of terrorist strikes, and 
had instead acted decisively and responsibly, the scenario that 
unfolded on 9/11 would have been very different. First of all, 
on high alert, the airports may have screened passengers more 
carefully - some or all of the hijackers may have failed to get 
aboard their target aircraft. Secondly, if they had succeeded 
in boarding the craft, the FAA would have been in a state of 
readiness for a serious event. At 8:25 AM, Boston FAA would 
have immediately called NORAD, who would have been in 
readiness, perhaps even with preauthorized orders from Bush. 
The WTC would have been on high alert from Aug 6 on and an 
evacuation could have been undertaken as early as 8:30 - time 
enough to save countless lives. 

But instead, Bush did not warn the public. When called by 
NORAD, he failed to respond in a way designed to save lives. In 
short, the trail of smoke from the smoking gun leads 
ultimately...and unavoidably, back to G. W. Bush. 


Copyright   2002 by the News Insider and Cheryl Seal 




From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 15:15:41 2002

Message:
We appreciate the stories but instead of taking up the board 
space with these rather long-winded news reports could you 
please just post a web link to the stories?

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 15:59:08 2002

Message:
10:10: Penn plane is shot down by F-16's, part of Pentagon 
collapses. 

From: Justice
To: all
Subject: above posts about the prevention of 9/11
Date: Fri Sep 20 17:45:03 2002

Message:
I believe in spite of all of the finger pointing and passing of 
blame on 9/11 that nothing could have been done to prevent what 
happened on that day.  I think even if the intelligence 
community knew of an attack on Sept 11th that it possibly could 
not have been prevented.  What the terrorists did was a 
precedence.  We could not have imagined what they were going to 
do with those planes.  I guarantee if the passengers had a clue 
as to what was going on they would have tried to retake the 
planes from the terrorists.  Bush did not have a hand in the 
attacks and he could have not prevented them either.  That 
theory is just stupid.  The attacks were done by radical and 
fanatical terrorists that need to be eradicated.

From: Spy
To: a european (continental) citizen
Subject: Pantywaist World Leaders Who Shared Clinton's Bed In 1998, Now Cuddle Up To Saddam
Date: Fri Sep 20 18:48:50 2002

Message:
Pantywaist World Leaders Who Shared Clinton's Bed In 
1998, Now Cuddle Up To Saddam
It wasn't just Clinton administration officials and Democrats 
who supported the use of force against Iraq in 1998. The 
very same world leaders who will not back "cowboy" George 
Bush now, were all for attacking Iraq when their boy Clinton 
was president...Blatant Hypocrisy: 

European Leaders' Statements Supporting U.S. Position on 
Iraq


BALTIC STATES 

Joint statements of the Presidents of Estonia, Latvia, and 
Lithuania: 

"We believe that strict compliance with international 
commitments, including United Nations resolutions, is an 
uncontested obligation of every country of the world 
community. 

"We unequivocally support the United Nations resolution of 
destroying chemical and biological weapons in Iraq. The 
United Nations Special Commission should be allowed to 
continue its work without any limitations. 

"We believe all diplomatic avenues should be exhausted to 
solve the current crises, but we also support other actions of 
the international coalition that are necessary to guarantee 
compliance of Iraq with its international commitments and 
demolition of weapons of mass destruction. 

"The Baltic States are ready, if necessary, within their 
means to provide support to the international coalition to 
ensure implementation of United Nations resolutions."
BELGIUM 

Foreign Minister Erik Derycke spoke in favor of a settlement 
of the crisis between the United Nations and Iraq by 
diplomatic rather than military means. He called on the 
United Nations to take initiatives in this direction. He pointed 
out that full responsibility for the present crisis lay with Iraq. 
However, he stressed that during the present "interim" 
situation all diplomatic initiatives must be supported. He 
expressed the hope that Great Britain and the United States 
will go back to the UN Security Council to heat the opinion of 
other Security Council members. If these initiatives fail, the 
use of force should not be ruled out as an ultimate solution 
to make the Iraqi government give way. 

"The Iraqi situation is very different from what it was in 1991 
when there was a war involving the international community 
as a result of the invasion of Kuwait, a war conducted in 
accordance with a UNSC resolution. 

"In the present situation, Belgium will asses requests as 
they are made. As a member of NATO it has obligations, but 
no requests have been made at that level either." 

[Rush's tip: focus on Canada, the EC, France and Germany] 

CANADA 

1) Prime Minister Chretien told Parliament on February 9 
that, "If we do not act, if we do not stand up to Saddam, that 
will encourage him to commit other atrocities." He continued 
that "the choice is clear (for Canada). It is a choice dictated 
by the responsibilities of international citizenship, by the 
demands of international security and an understanding of 
the history of the world in this century." 

2) Defense Minister Eggleton explained that although 
Saddam says he does not have chemical or biological 
weapons, the UN believes otherwise. As such, Eggleton 
prefers, "to believe the UN and its multilateral inspection 
team. Saddam Hussein has shown in the past that we 
cannot trust his word." On Feb. 10, Eggleton said that if a 
number of countries join the US-led military coalition, "this 
might be enough for Saddam Hussein to back off and to 
comply with UN resolutions." 

3) Foreign Minister Axworthy at the UN Feb. 11 told reporters 
that "This whole thing could be solved in 10 seconds if 
Saddam Hussein lives up to the commitments made in 
1991."
EUROPEAN COMMISSION 
President Jacques Santer: 

"Iraq must execute in an unconditional manner all the UN 
resolutions" or face "grave consequences."
FRANCE 
Office of the French President Jacques Chirac: 

"France repeats that Iraq must scrupulously respect all the 
UN Security Council resolutions. This is the only route that 
could enable Iraq to be readmitted, when the time comes, 
into the international community. 

The President of the Republic made this clear to the Iraqi 
Foreign Minister. He stressed "the extremely grave risks that 
will result from a refusal by Iraq to accept the inspection of 
the 'presidential sites.' Now time is running out."
GERMANY 
Mr. Rudolf Scharping, Chairman of the SPD Bundestag 
Group: 

"I would like to state the central issues once again. First, 
there is only one individual who bears the responsibility for 
the current confrontation with the United Nations, and that is 
Saddam Hussein. Second, he has to see to it that Iraq 
satisfies all the UN resolutions. Third, every possible 
political effort has to be made to arrive at a peaceful 
solution. Fourth, the danger posed by Iraqi weapons of 
mass destruction is a matter that no one can view with 
indifference, and that is the case for all the other states in 
the region, especially Israel, as well as for the Europeans 
and the Americans. (applause) That is why Iraq should stop 
refusing to cooperate, and if all the political efforts that are 
being made do not result in success, a military operation 
cannot and should not be ruled out in this case. (applause) 
The United States and Great Britain can absolutely count on 
German solidarity." 

Foreign Minister Klaus Kinkel: 

"Incidentally, I believe that we Germans in particular have 
good reason to work toward preventing a dictator from 
causing something terrible yet again. There was one 
dictator who was stopped too late. This one has to be 
stopped in good time. (applause) 

"I personally pin hopes on Russia, Turkey, and France. At 
the moment, if anyone has the connections making it 
possible to help, it is undoubtedly these three countries. I 
hope it still proves possible to arrive at a diplomatic 
solution. 

"We are maintaining intensive contact with the United States 
and with our partners and friends in the EU. However, our 
experience of Saddam Hussein to date, and I believe that 
this is also of key importance, shows that, unfortunately, he 
is only prepared to observe UN Security Council resolution 
when he is under pressure. The international community 
cannot simply accept always being made a fool of. That is 
why the military option must remain available. He who 
wants a peaceful solution in particular cannot waver in this 
regard." 

[End of Rush's focus area]
LITHUANIA 

Lithuanian Ministry of Foreign Affairs Political Director 
Usackas: 

"The Lithuanian Foreign Ministry condemns the refusal of 
(the) Iraqi leadership to comply with resolutions by the 
United Nations Security Council and allow UN weapons 
inspectors in to objects that are thought to contain weapons 
of mass destruction." 

THE NETHERLANDS 

Prime Minister Kok: 

"We all know how Saddam Hussein operates. We know that 
the diplomatic-political channel should be matched with the 
threat of sanctions and pressure.... We cannot wait 
indefinitely until Saddam Hussein is finally again brought to 
reason. We must exert pressure." 

NORWAY 

Foreign Minister Knut Vollebaek: 

"Compliance with a binding resolution adopted by the 
United Nations Security Council must be an absolute 
requirement. Norway has on a number of occasions 
strongly deplored the lack of willingness on the part of Iraq 
to fulfill its obligations and cooperate with UNSCOM. The 
government considers it important that respect for the 
Security Council as a guarantor of international peace and 
security is maintained." 

"If attempts at a peaceful solution are not successful, and 
military action should be taken against Iraq, the government 
considers that, taking everything into account, such action 
can be justified within the framework of the Security 
Council's resolutions. The international community has the 
right to ensure that Iraq complies with UN resolutions." 

SPAIN 

President Aznar: 

"This is the Spanish position. This crisis will be solved if 
Iraq's government clearly complies with its obligation and 
does the right thing. If not, the duty of the Spanish 
government is to let it be known that other means might be 
used -- a possibility we do not look forward to. But if these 
other means are finally used, Spain, I repeat, will obviously 
live up to its commitments and side with its partners and 
allies." 

SWEDEN 

Foreign Minister Lena Hjelm-Wallen: 

"The government hereby warns that the United Nations will 
take firm, unanimous action in Iraq. The resolutions passed 
by the Security Council have to be respected, and Iraq's 
weapons of mass destruction must be eliminated." 

UNITED KINGDOM 

Prime Minister Blair at the White House Joint Press 
Conference with President Clinton on Friday, February 6, 
1998: 

"And what we agreed was that we had to do three things in 
particular. We have first of all to make sure that our own 
public opinion was properly educated as to why it's so 
essential that the UN inspectors are able to do their work, 
the amount of weapons that they have already uncovered in 
the six or seven years that they have been doing this task, 
and why it is therefore absolutely essential that Saddam 
Hussein is brought back into line with UN Security Council 
resolutions and the inspectors can go about their tasks 
unhindered. 

"Secondly, though, in relation to Iraq, it is important that we 
stress all the time, of course we want a diplomatic solution, 
but it must be a diplomatic solution based on and fully 
consistent with the principles that we have set out. The 
question of whether there is such a diplomatic solution 
rests ultimately with Saddam Hussein. He has the choice. 
He can bring himself back into compliance with the 
agreements he entered into, and then that diplomatic 
solution can be fulfilled. 

"Thirdly, however, we have of course to prepare in case 
diplomacy cannot work. In view of the situation, we in Britain 
have been looking at our own military readiness in case a 
diplomatic solution does not in the end prove possible. We 
have decided to base eight Tornado GR-1 aircraft in Kuwait, 
with the full agreement of the government of Kuwait. 

"Remember, he agreed -- he undertook to destroy any 
weapons of mass destruction capability, whether nuclear, 
chemical, or biological. Now he's in breach of that. We've got 
to make sure he complies one way or another with it." 

Foreign Secretary Cook: 

Cook said that Kofi Annan has got to go to Iraq with two 
things. 

"First of all, he has to go with the message that Saddam 
must carry out the undertakings which he himself actually 
signed up to do, namely to allow the UN inspectors to carry 
out their work without obstruction, without refusal to get into 
certain sites, without any no-go areas. 

"... Secondly, he has got to go with the clear understanding 
of what would be an acceptable outcome to the Security 
Council." 

"... We are proposing a precise, specific military strike to 
carry out by military means what Saddam is currently 
preventing us from doing through the UN inspection regime, 
namely to destroy his chemical and his biological weapons. 
But ... we would prefer a diplomatic solution." 

Doorstep interview with UK Foreign Secretary Cook and Mr. 
Salman Rushdie in London: 

"We have always stressed that we want to explore all 
diplomatic avenues before any military action is taken, and 
we are very supportive of the idea that Kofi Annan should 
visit Baghdad, provided we are clear that Baghdad will treat 
him seriously...; the objective must be effective inspection by 
UNSCOM that stops Saddam Hussein (from) acquiring 
chemical and biological weapons." 
  

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 19:19:46 2002

Message:
IZAT...........So?!

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 19:20:51 2002

Message:
MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, Blarney I say, Nuthin' butta buncha 
Blarney!

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 19:22:06 2002

Message:
Sowatsup?

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 19:22:50 2002

Message:
And they wonder why I fuckin' Drink so much

From: om/cf
To: Justice & all
Date: Fri Sep 20 19:21:29 2002

Message:
I agree with you regarding Sept. 11. The same political 
opponents that labeled Bush a moron and idiot who knew nothing 
about international affairs during the election are now claiming 
he's some kind of evil minded brainiac who can manipulate the 
world? It doesn't quite wash with me. 

That said, I do read many of the conspiricy articles 911 related 
and read the posts above. Its interesting. I find conspiricy 
writer's tend to make a lot of statements that would take the 
average Joe a year of intense research to disprove. Its a 
technique that works well. If a statement cannot be immediatly 
argued against, there is a great chance it will be accepted as 
fact by many. Throw some indisputable facts into the mix and the 
water gets even murkier. Its a craft. To add conspiricy on top 
of conspiracy, I always like to know the scource and the author 
and what THRIR motives might be. 

From: om/cf
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 20:04:09 2002

Message:
Why in the hell is the R next to the E on a keyboard!?! If these 
freekin' letters were in alphabetical order I'd at least stand a 
chance!

From: DEVIL
To: MANKIND
Date: Fri Sep 20 21:28:10 2002

Message:
WW3 IS COMING
MY SPAWN IS MAKING GREAT PROGRESS
YOU KNOW HIM AS (BUSH)
HA HA HA
FOOLS
HE IS MY ANGEL OF DEATH IN DISGUISE
WHEN THE SMOKE CLEARS HE WILL MAKE MY OLDER SON HITLER
LOOK LIKE A WHITE DOVE
FIRE & BRIMESTONE BABY

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Date: Fri Sep 20 21:31:10 2002

Message:
Wellyaknowthat they justhavenothing better todo. Andastorylike 
thisone isjustto easy topickon. Wellwaddyawant seemsmy 
spacebaris ..a.. stuck. 

From: Allah
To: Devil
Date: Fri Sep 20 21:35:12 2002

Message:
Hey! That's my line!!

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 21:36:59 2002

Message:
Cyallater gottago.................

From: theE.S.D.
To: BackIssues
Date: Fri Sep 20 22:28:30 2002

Message:
about the post from Spy above:
--------
19 February 1998 :
EUROPEAN LEADERS' STATEMENTS SUPPORTING U.S. 
POSITION ON IRAQ 
(Released by the U.S. Department of State Feb. 17) (1820)
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1998/02/19/98021903_wpo.ht
ml

============================

related:

Security Council - 9 - Press Release SC/6611 3955th 
Meeting (Night) 16 December 1998 
===================================

MASAKI KONISHI (Japan) said the 14 November letter of 
Iraq's Deputy Prime Minister to the Secretary-General had 
raised hopes that Iraq would resume full cooperation with 
UNSCOM and the IAEA. The Security Council had been 
looking forward to a comprehensive review of Iraq's 
compliance with its obligations under relevant resolutions. 
That was to be conducted once resumption of full 
cooperation by Iraq with UNSCOM and the IAEA had been 
confirmed, making the prospect of lifting the sanctions 
clearer, a step Japan had long awaited in order to restore its 
traditional friendship with the peoples of Iraq. 

The letter of UNSCOM's Executive Chairman had regrettably 
indicated that Iraq's resumption of cooperation with 
UNSCOM had not been sufficient, and that Iraq's behaviour 
had constituted a serious violation of the Security Council 
resolutions and the Memorandum of Understanding signed 
earlier this year. He said the Security Council and Member 
States had worked strenuously and had made their utmost 
diplomatic efforts to ensure Iraq's cooperation and full 
compliance with Council resolutions. Japan itself had made 
numerous d marches to the Government of Iraq and had 
made various efforts to correct Iraq's behaviour. 

Iraq had failed to provide its full cooperation to UNSCOM 
and that had led to the consequences faced today. He said 
Japan supported the action taken by the United States and 
the United Kingdom, and it strongly urged the Government 
of Iraq to comply immediately and unconditionally with all its 
obligations under Council resolutions. That would enable 
Iraq to normalize its relationship with the international 
community and, hopefully, the plight of the Iraqi people 
would be alleviated. 

ANTONIO MONTEIRO (Portugal) said that after so many 
efforts and attempts by the Security Council to bring Iraq to 
the path of cooperation, the latest report of the Executive 
Director of UNSCOM stated that the country had not lived up 
to its commitments, and that it had not cooperated fully with 
the Special Commission. The United States and the United 
Kingdom had made it clear last month that, in the absence 
of full cooperation by Iraq, they would act without returning to 
the Council. It was, therefore, not a surprise to his 
delegation that a decision had been taken to act militarily. 
Naturally, the Council would have to evaluate the 
consequences of such action with regard to fulfilling the 
goals of disarming Iraq and maintaining peace and security 
in the region. 

He said Portugal deeply regretted that a peaceful solution 
could not be found, but the main cause of the current crisis 
was the obstinate policy of Iraq's rulers in refusing to comply 
with Council resolutions. As the Chairman of the 661 
Committee (on sanctions), he had been particularly 
sensitive to the consequences of the current crisis on the 
Iraqi people and had sought to do everything possible in the 
context of the humanitarian programme to alleviate their 
suffering. 

Portugal would continue to try to contribute actively to find 
ways to minimize the effects of the current circumstances, 
on top of the already difficult living conditions of the Iraqi 
people. "But we must also remember that the primary 
responsibility for the well-being of all Iraqis falls to the 
authorities of that country." 


-----------------

From: shitball
To: all hate
Date: Fri Sep 20 22:35:31 2002

Message:
i hate all of you.

fuck all of you and the save the sand nigger mentality you  
post...

From: om/cf
To: Get a grip
Date: Fri Sep 20 22:48:09 2002

Message:
GFlat blunt endedf fingersa don't help eitrher. I tried playing 
guitar years ago and chords were fine but I'll be damned if I 
could only press ONE string on a fret! LOL!

From: shitball
To: all bull shit
Date: Fri Sep 20 22:58:43 2002

Message:
I suck shit and I am a shit head. I hate myself and wish I could 
suck even worse than I already do!!

From:
To:
Date: Fri Sep 20 23:02:35 2002

Message:
We know!

From: om/cf
To: all
Subject: WTF
Date: Fri Sep 20 23:39:53 2002

Message:
Seems the Isreali's have destroyed the PLO headquarters 
excepting the two buildings Arafat might be in. What a fucking 
bonehead action by Israel!! Two homicide bombings in a week is 
not a good thing for sure, but Israel must take a bigger picture 
into consideration. There is no fucking way Arafart has control 
over all the fucking hoodlums!! I am not in any way defending 
Arafat, but he simply does not control all the Palistinian 
radicals, if radical is the correct term.

Im a little behind on the whole Israeli/Palistinian situation. 
Maybe Facts Finder or someone can help me out here. In my 
opinion, if anyplace on this planet begged out for a U.N. 
peacekeeping team, Israel is the place. I think the rest of the 
world is damn sick and tired of the non-ending, hatefull, daily 
death happening there. Once again, the U.N. proves its useless. 
Abolish the U.N. as it exists and start from scratch with a new 
organization based on the here and now. Just my opinion.



From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 08:59:55 2002

Message:
Give people more than they expect and do it cheerfully. 

Marry a man/woman you love to talk to. As you get older, their 
conversational skills will be as important as any other. 

Don't believe all you hear, spend all you have or sleep all you 
want. 
 
When you say, "I love you", mean it. 

When you say, "I'm sorry", look the person in the eye. 
 
Be engaged at least six months before you get married. 

Believe in love at first sight. 

Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams 
don't have much. 

Love deeply and passionately. You might get hurt  but it's the 
only way to live life completely. 

In disagreements, fight fairly. Please No name calling. 

Don't judge people by their relatives. 

Talk slowly but think quickly. 

When someone asks you a question you don't want to answer, 
smile and ask, "Why do you want to know?" 

Remember that great love and great achievements involve great 
risk. 
 
Say "bless you" when you hear someone sneeze. 

When you lose, don't lose the lesson. 

Remember the three R's: 
 Respect for self; 
 Respect for others; 
 Responsibility for all your actions. 

Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. 

When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to 
correct it. 

Smile when picking up the phone: The caller will hear it in 
your voice. 

Spend some time alone.

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 09:10:11 2002

Message:
http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Date: Sat Sep 21 10:10:24 2002

Message:
Just above looks like some of the million acts of kindness LOL! 
The U.N. is about as useful as a fart in a space suit! 
again..LOL!  George Bush is beating his war drum trying to drown 
out the sound of the 9-11 investigation, the Recession, the fact 
Afghanistan is still a bad version of Rat Patrol (remember that 
old show?) And the fact that the only gain for war in Iraq is 
OIL contracts. 
  Fact is fucking Fact..you didn't miss anything..It is that 
pathetic! Bush started out by having his hand caught in the 
cookie jar! His dealings with Bin Laden family got old black 
sheep Osama plenty mad and Bush was turning a deaf ear to all 
the terrorist static and warnings, playing up to the back room 
full of bed buddies in the Saudi oil club! 
  This shit happened for one fucking reason, G.R.E.E.D. and it 
has compromised the safety of America and the future of our 
culture, children and every business here! Your damn strait he 
scammed the election so he could reap the benefit of the coming 
attack, he was safely in the south playing with little kids in 
school and kissing babies when 9-11 came around, and that says 
it all in light of the fact the warnings were very clear when 
the attack was planned to come. 
  No om/cf you haven't missed a thing. Except to throw up!

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Subject: While George bush was in collage, real americans were paying the price of freedom
Date: Sat Sep 21 10:22:25 2002

Message:
>  > >Sen. John McCain > > > > > >From a speech made by Capt. 
John S. McCain, US, (Ret) who > >represents Arizona in the U.S. 
Senate: > > > >As you may know, I spent five and one half years 
as a prisoner > >of war during the Vietnam War. In the early 
years of our imprisonment, > >the NVA kept us in solitary 
confinement or two or three to a cell. > >In 1971 the NVA moved 
us from these conditions of isolation into > >large rooms with 
as many as 30 to 40 men to a room. This was, as > >you can 
imagine, a wonderful change and was a direct result of the > 
>efforts of millions of Americans on behalf of a few hundred 
POWs > >10,000 miles from home. > > > >One of the men who moved 
into my room was a young man named > >Mike Christian. Mike came 
from a small town near Selma, Alabama. > >He didn't wear a pair 
of shoes until he was 13 years old. At 17, he > >enlisted in the 
US Navy. He later earned a commission by going to > >Officer 
Training School. Then he became a Naval Flight Officer and > 
>was shot down and captured in 1967. Mike had a keen and deep > 
>appreciation of the opportunities this country and our military 
provide > >for people who want to work and want to succeed. > > 
> >As part of the change in treatment, the Vietnamese allowed 
some > >prisoners to receive packages from home. In some of 
these packages > >were handkerchiefs, scarves and other items of 
clothing. Mike got > >himself a bamboo needle. Over a period of 
a couple of months, he > >created an American flag and sewed on 
the inside of his shirt. Every > >afternoon, before we had a 
bowl of soup, we would hang Mike's shirt > >on the wall of the 
cell and say the Pledge of Allegiance. I know the > >Pledge of 
Allegiance may not seem the most important part of our > >day 
now, but I can assure you that in that stark cell it was indeed 
the > >most important and meaningful event. > > > >One day the 
Vietnamese searched our cell, as they did periodically, > >and 
discovered Mike's shirt with the flag sewn inside, and removed 
it. > >That evening they returned, opened the door of the cell, 
and for the > >benefit of all of us, beat Mike Christian 
severely for the next couple > >of hours. Then, they opened the 
door of the cell and threw him in. > >We cleaned him up as well 
as we could. > > > >The cell in which we lived had a concrete 
slab in the middle on which > >we slept. Four naked light bulbs 
hung in each corner of the room. As > >I said, we tried to clean 
up Mike as well as we could. After the > >excitement died down, 
I looked in the corner of the room, and sitting > >there beneath 
that dim light bulb with a piece of red cloth, another
shirt > >and his bamboo needle, was my friend, Mike Christian. 
He was sitting > >there with his eyes almost shut from the 
beating he had received, > >making another American flag. > > > 
>He was not making the flag because it made Mike Christian feel 
better. > >He was making that flag because he knew how important 
it was to us > >to be able to Pledge our allegiance to our flag 
and country. > > > >So the next time you say the Pledge of 
Allegiance, you must never > >forget the sacrifice and courage 
that thousands of Americans have made > >to build our nation and 
promote freedom around the world. > >You must remember our duty, 
our honor, and our country. > > > >"I pledge allegiance to the 
flag of the United States of America > >and to the republic for 
which it stands, one nation under God, > >indivisible, with 
liberty and justice for all." > > > > >  >  >  >  > 
_______________________________________

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 10:23:39 2002

Message:
FUCK BUSH!
And his million acts of bull shit

From: Who I Am
To: Islam
Subject: Truth
Date: Sat Sep 21 10:27:25 2002

Message:
What I have to say about 9-11  Is that I know that Osama Bin 
Laden had nothing to do with the attacks against America.  The 
USA invaded the country to steal the gold that was given to me 
when I became welcome there.  They have fabricated evidence from 
old security tapes but killed the ones that they claim died in 
the planes in an ambush to abduct me from Asia. They had done 
the same thing when they invaded Iraq.  Kidnap me and stole my 
gold that I had stored there in my palace.  I have been robbed 
by them multiple times in multiple countries.  When they invaded 
Kosavo to rob me the account they deleted only had a little in 
it yet they still stole my money.  Why you may ask?  The issue 
is I am the father of the atmospheres of the planet on which we 
live!  They think to control me is to control the planet.  As 
for all those involved in abducting and robing me they are not 
even welcome on the planet.  As for those that have helped me I 
give them blessings of my love.  krtr34@yahoo.com 

From: .44
To: parley voo francis
Date: Sat Sep 21 10:52:15 2002

Message:
Why should anyone want to debate a sage wit like you?  We all 
know you're quite the "master debater".                          
            

From: .44
To: Who You Are
Date: Sat Sep 21 11:00:35 2002

Message:
Question:  About that space ship that the aliens abducted you 
into prior to taking tissue samples of your cerebral cortex:  By 
any chance do the windows on your space ship happen to have bars 
on them?                                

From: wolf
To: .44
Subject: i got a hard on for u
Date: Sat Sep 21 11:03:49 2002

Message:
I'm gonna fuck u up the arse, and u r gonna like it

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 11:16:25 2002

Message:
Ya'll r sick fucks

From: .44
To: wolf
Date: Sat Sep 21 12:07:47 2002

Message:
Wolves are pussies, and I fuck pussy.  Doggy style, naturally.    
                            

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: OnlineNews
Date: Sat Sep 21 12:32:39 2002

Message:
Patterns of Global Terrorism: 1998 

Overview of State-Sponsored
Terrorism
http://www.state.gov/www/global/terrorism/1998Report/spon
sor.html#iraq
(go to the site for more; theE.S.D.)

Iraq 
In 1998, Baghdad continued efforts to rebuild its intelligence 
network, which it previously had used to support 
international terrorism. Press reports indicated that Iraqi 
intelligence agents may have been planning an attack 
against Radio Free Europe in Prague in October 1998. 
Other press reports citing "reliable diplomatic sources" in 
Amman claimed that Iraq had sent abroad for terrorist 
purposes intelligence agents who pretended to be refugees 
and businessmen. Iraqi oppositionists have claimed 
publicly that the regime intends to silence them and have 
accused Baghdad of planning to assassinate Iraqi exiles. 
There are various claims that the Iraqi intelligence service 
was responsible for the killings of some nine persons in 
Amman, but we cannot corroborate the charges. 

In January 1998 an Iraqi diplomat was fired on in Amman, 
Jordan. Jordanian authorities arrested five persons who 
subsequently confessed responsibility. In a separate 
incident, eight persons--including an Iraqi diplomat--were 
murdered in the home of an Iraqi businessman. Jordanian 
authorities in April arrested several persons for this crime. 

In southern Iraq, Ayatollah Morteza Borujerdi--a senior Shia 
cleric--was killed on 22 April. Oppositionists claimed the 
Iraqi Government assassinated Borujerdi because he 
refused to cease leading prayers. A second high-ranking 
Shia cleric, Ayatollah Ali Gharavi, was killed on 18 June. The 
oppositionist Supreme Assembly for the Islamic Revolution 
in Iraq accused Baghdad of responsibility. Both men were 
respected Shia clerics of Iranian origin and their murders 
remain unsolved. 

Iraq continues to provide safehaven to a variety of 
Palestinian rejectionist groups, including the Abu Nidal 
organization, the Arab Liberation Front (ALF), and the former 
head of the now-defunct 15 May Organization, Abu Ibrahim, 
who masterminded several bombings of US aircraft. In 
December press reports indicated that Abu Nidal had 
relocated to Iraq and may be receiving medical treatment. 
Abu Nidal's move to Baghdad--if true--would increase the 
prospect that Saddam may call on the ANO to conduct 
anti-US attacks. Iraq also provides bases, weapons, and 
protection to the MEK, a terrorist group that opposes the 
current Iranian regime.

==============================================

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: TheWashingtonPost,Nov1998 // Jul1999 // Sept2000
Date: Sat Sep 21 12:42:30 2002

Message:
Dateline: November 03, 1998 

Saddam Hussein now has taken the final step in breaking 
his promises of cooperation with the United Nations. He 
had for three months been blocking surprise inspections by 
U.N. arms experts trying to ferret out his clandestine 
nuclear- biological- and chemical-weapons programs. Now 
he has said he will block even the regular, announced visits 
by U.N. monitors whose work had been continuing. Absent 
a response from the Clinton administration and the United 
Nations, nothing now will impede Saddam Hussein's 
ambitions to maintain and rebuild the weapons of mass 
destruction he promised to give up. 

Secretary of Defense William Cohen said that U.N. 
Secretary General Kofi Annan "should be concerned 
because his credibility and that of the Security Council is on 
the line." Mr. Annan's spokesman immediately sought to 
deflect the responsibility. The squabbling was unseemly 
and discouraging. In fact, Mr. Annan's credibility is on the 
line, but President Clinton's is more so. It was Mr. Clinton 
who sent Mr. Annan to Baghdad last February to defuse a 
similar crisis; it was Mr. Clinton who promised a military 
response if Saddam Hussein violated the agreement Mr. 
Annan negotiated; and it was Mr. Clinton who failed to 
respond when Iraq shredded the pact in August. 

No wonder Iraq's vice president can say, "Iraq does not fear 
the threat of the United States because it has been 
threatening Iraq for the past eight years." 

The United States must respond with force if Iraq does not 
allow U.N. teams - passive monitors and surprise 
inspectors alike - to resume their work. It should respond as 
part of a U.N.-backed alliance if possible, alone if 
necessary. Its bombing campaign should not be symbolic 
but designed to destroy as much of Saddam Hussein's 
capability to make and use weapons of mass destruction 
as possible. Yes, even such a serious military effort might 
end with Saddam Hussein still in and U.N. inspectors still 
out. That is why a serious strategy to deal with Iraq must 
include a willingness to bomb more than once, if Saddam 
Hussein again tries to reconstitute his weapons of mass 
destruction. 

A serious strategy also must include support for Iraqis 
seeking to replace Saddam Hussein's criminal regime with 
something more democratic and less bellicose. Mr. Clinton, 
in signing the Iraq Liberation Act on Saturday, vowed 
support for such a transformation and said, "The evidence 
is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under 
the current Iraq leadership." 

This is not a matter of the United States and other countries 
meddling without right in Iraq's internal affairs. Iraq began 
this by invading Kuwait. The United Nations authorized a 
U.S.-led military campaign to reverse that aggression. 
Having defeated Iraq's army, the United States chose to 
accept, in place of Saddam Hussein's total surrender and 
relinquishing of power, his pledge to disarm. His failure 
after all these years to honor that pledge gives the United 
Nations every right to reconsider its merciful cease-fire 
terms.

Dateline: November 17, 1998 

So here we are again. The United States musters its forces 
and rallies its allies, Saddam Hussein promises to 
cooperate, the United States re-leashes its forces. This time 
is different, the Clinton administration says, because the 
Iraqi dictator is more isolated - and because if he breaks his 
promise, the United States won't hesitate to use force. "If it 
doesn't work, we are prepared to act, as the president 
indicated," national security adviser Sandy Berger said 
Sunday. 

That sounded a lot like what he said eight months ago: 
"Failure to allow the inspectors to go where they want, when 
they want will result in the use of serious force." What is 
different this time around is President Clinton's hints of a 
new strategy aiming at the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. 
The Iraqi dictator represents a threat to his region and the 
world, Mr. Clinton said Sunday. The best way to address that 
threat is through a "new government" in Baghdad. The 
United States will now "intensify" its efforts to work with 
Iraq's opposition, he said. 

Mr. Clinton's assessment of Saddam Hussein is correct. 
But until recently, the administration didn't see much merit in 
targeting his regime. Back in March, Mr. Berger said of a 
direct campaign, "I am convinced the costs - in blood, 
treasure and political isolation - are not justified." Of war by 
proxy, he warned of "the dangers of starting something we 
were not prepared to finish." 

Has Mr. Clinton now re-weighed those dangers, or was he 
speaking out of frustration at having been played with by 
Saddam Hussein again? Is he really committed to helping 
the opposition, or was he trying to put the best spin on the 
latest standoff? If he is serious, it means a sustained 
commitment and a willingness to use U.S. troops at least in 
a supporting role. If he is not, it is worse than reckless to 
embolden those who may expect U.S. assistance when 
none may be forthcoming. 

The administration's claims of success in this latest round 
find themselves burdened by its record of deception, bluster 
and inconsistency. Not only tactics but goals, too, have 
shifted with time. Last February the administration also 
claimed to have won a clear victory when in fact it had 
accepted serious infringements on U.N. arms inspectors' 
freedoms. It claimed to be supporting an aggressive 
inspections regime when in fact it was pressuring the 
inspectors to avoid confrontations with Saddam Hussein. 
After Iraq booted the inspectors in August, the 
administration shifted its stated goal from depriving 
Saddam Hussein of his weapons to maintaining the 
economic sanctions on his regime. U.S. officials began 
questioning an inspection regime's chance of success. 

Now the administration is back to championing access for 
inspectors as the most important goal and to deriding the 
efficacy of bombing. If the inspectors truly are allowed to do 
their job, with Iraqi cooperation, that certainly will be 
preferable to inconclusive bombing. But Saddam Hussein 
has made clear that maintaining and acquiring nuclear, 
chemical and biological weapons are his primary goals, 
more important to him than the lifting of sanctions, the 
welfare of the Iraqi people or anything else. Unlike other 
tyrants today, he also has been willing to use such poison 
weapons. He may tolerate what Scott Ritter called the 
illusion of arms control. But he will part with his weapons of 
mass destruction only when compelled to do so.

Dateline: July 2, 1999 

That is how the Clinton administration defines the Iraqi 
regime of Saddam Hussein: "dangerous, unreconstructed 
and defiant." So A. Elizabeth Jones, principal deputy 
assistant secretary of state for Near Eastern affairs, told 
Congress last week. As analysis, her description is 
refreshingly candid and accurate. As an evaluation of U.S. 
policy, it is close to an admission of failure. Although the 
administration no longer speaks about it much, Saddam 
Hussein remains most dangerous as a potential wielder of 
biological, chemical or nuclear weapons. 

Nearly a year has passed since United Nations arms 
inspectors were even partially free to operate inside Iraq. 
More than a half-year has passed since those inspectors 
and monitors were booted out altogether. That milestone is 
chilling, because it was commonly said that Saddam 
Hussein could reconstitute some measure of biological 
weapons capability if left unmonitored for six months. 

"We have come to the conclusion," Beth Jones said, that 
Saddam Hussein "will never relinquish what remains of his 
WMD [weapons of mass destruction] arsenal." President 
Clinton's policy in response to that threat, through most of 
his time in office, was to insist on intrusive U.N. 
disarmament efforts. Now that the U.N. program has broken 
down, the administration says it is putting its faith in 
"containment," in working to relieve the suffering of the Iraqi 
people and in attempting to "change the regime in Iraq." 

But these policies, at least as carried out currently, offer little 
reassurance with regard to weapons of mass destruction. 
"Containment" seems to have two aspects: economic 
sanctions on the one hand and Air Force policing of no-fly 
zones on the other. The former can help impede a major 
weapons buildup, and the latter reduces Iraq's ability to 
threaten its neighbors. But neither can stop Saddam 
Hussein from reviving his biological weapons program. 

That explains, at least in theory, the change-of-regime plank 
of U.S. policy: Only removing Saddam Hussein can 
ultimately remove the danger he presents. But the 
administration's seriousness in this regard remains in 
doubt. Despite a $ 97 million appropriation from Congress 
to aid the Iraqi opposition, officials say it would be 
"premature" to offer military assistance. So the United 
States is providing instead "equipment for the infrastructure 
vital for the effectiveness of an international political 
advocacy movement," according to Martin Indyk, assistant 
secretary of state. Whatever that may mean, it sounds short 
of what would persuade Saddam Hussein to shut his 
anthrax labs.


Dateline: September 25, 2000 

A decade ago Iraq invaded Kuwait. Operation Desert Storm 
in 1991 expelled Saddam Hussein's troops and left Iraq 
subject to an embargo that can be lifted only when the 
United Nations certifies that Iraq has abandoned weapons 
of mass destruction. Yet Saddam Hussein himself has 
remained in power, invulnerable, seemingly, to either 
internal revolt or external economic pressure. As the war he 
provoked recedes into history, the coalition of Western and 
Arab states that once opposed him has weakened, and with 
it, international support for sanctions. All this has happened 
despite the fact that Saddam continues to torture and 
murder his own people and has never provided a full 
accounting of his proscribed weapons programs. 
Consequently, the United States has been obliged to 
acquiesce in a loosened sanctions regime that permits 
Saddam to sell essentially unlimited quantities of oil on the 
world market. 

When President Clinton ordered four days of air and missile 
strikes in December 1998 to punish Iraq for its defiance of a 
U.N. weapons inspection mission, only Great Britain joined 
in the attack. Small wonder that, as the U.S. presidential 
election approaches, Saddam Hussein feels emboldened 
to challenge American resolve further through provocative 
rhetoric and behavior. In recent days, he has refused to 
admit a new U.N. weapons inspection team, even though it 
was created under a 1999 Security Council resolution 
brokered by Iraq's sympathizers on the council, France and 
Russia, and designed to ease Iraq's path toward the lifting 
of the already-diluted sanctions. He has even refused entry 
to U.N. experts who were supposed to help Iraq assess its 
humanitarian needs and to facilitate the provision of food 
and medicine. 

On Labor Day, defying the U.S.- and British-patrolled no-fly 
zone in southern Iraq, Saddam dispatched a fighter plane to 
penetrate not only off-limits Iraqi air space but Saudi 
Arabia's air space as well. (U.S. pilots were taking the 
holiday off.) He has begun accusing Kuwait of extracting oil 
that rightfully belongs to Iraq - one of the same charges he 
leveled shortly before he launched the 1990 invasion. And it 
has been almost two years since any outside weapons 
inspector set foot in Iraq, meaning Saddam has had that 
much time to rebuild - and conceal - weapons of mass 
destruction. 

The Clinton administration says that, for all his posturing, 
Saddam remains effectively contained, confined to his "box" 
by the remaining sanctions and a heavy U.S. military 
presence in the Gulf. But increasingly it is U.S. policy that is 
boxed in. The United States had to announce that it would 
not use force if Saddam continues to refuse to admit the 
weapons inspectors. Nor does the administration have any 
intention of investing in the Iraqi opposition, which it regards 
as hopelessly incompetent. Neither presidential candidate 
has articulated a particularly convincing way out of the 
current dead end. Vice President Gore is saddled with the 
Clinton administration's record, while George W. Bush is 
being counseled by many of the same people (most 
prominently his running mate, former defense secretary 
Dick Cheney) who let Saddam survive in power at the end of 
the Persian Gulf War. Meanwhile, Russia and France are 
making new and increasingly craven overtures to the 
dictator. The West's panic over increasing oil prices only 
increases his leverage. 

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright gamely pointed out 
that Iraq has used the U.N. oil-for-food program to import 
vast quantities of whiskey and other luxury items for 
Saddam's loyalists; there are also credible reports that Iraq 
has been selling food and medicine abroad while refusing 
humanitarian donations from Europe or letting them rot in 
warehouses. For all intents and purposes, however, Iraq 
has won that particular propaganda war. As long as 
Saddam Hussein remains in power, there is always the 
danger that Iraq will try to win a real war, too.
  

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Subject: Front page news
Date: Sat Sep 21 12:56:26 2002

Message:
Well, a year later we see across the front page a wide range of 
investigation going on. The very congress that is being asked to 
write a blank check and give Bush a free hand to begin a war 
with Iraq, is deep in thousands of pages of documents describing 
the ways in which Bush, the CIA and the FBI all failed to stop 9-
11. In any one of the blunders was ample time and means to stop 
this attack. 
  In all this I can only say that I am glad nothing more was 
planned on 9-11, as there would have been nothing to stop them. 
Considering how misinformed they all were about 9-11, I really 
have to question now how they claim to know so very much about 
Saddam and his ties. These two things painfully speak of 
personal agenda and contradict each other so much that it cannot 
and should not be ignored. 
  If letting 9-11 happen was as we suspect, then the reason for 
war with Iraq is very questionable. It stinks of oil and Enron 
much too bad of a stench to ignore. 

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Subject: Plain as day..no plan
Date: Sat Sep 21 13:09:15 2002

Message:
Motives. 
  We must ask of the Bush family, (daddy & son) WTF? We spent 
millions and sent our fathers and countrymen to fight Saddam 
once before, yet on the threshhold of Saddams front door we were 
ordered to stop and pull out in direct contradiction to the Five 
star General leading the campeign. 
  Exactly what, if anything is there to say Bush will follow 
through this time? And in this light bears the daunting FACT 
that Bush has no plan to do so..NONE!

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 16:07:35 2002

Message:
GO FIGURE.......

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 16:10:14 2002

Message:
Beware those who profit from war!

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 16:10:52 2002

Message:
It's not so funny anymore isit!

From: Walter
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 16:19:25 2002

Message:
LOL!!

From: CC
To: get a grip
Date: Sat Sep 21 19:48:05 2002

Message:
The gulf war was a failure from the beginning.
It was already decided before it started that liberating Kuwait 
was the objective.
Entering Iraq was not the plan.
Big mistake.
I,m looking forward to the enevitable.
Saddam getting a good kick in the teeth.


From: god bless **=
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 19:53:26 2002

Message:

From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 20:18:47 2002

Message:
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=19&row=1

Governor George W Bush was a fighter pilot during the war in 
Vietnam - not in the US Air Force, where one could be seriously 
hurt or injured - but in the Texas air force, known as the Air 
Guard. Membership excused these weekend warriors from the 
draft. Young George W tested at 25 out of 100, one point 
above 'too dumb to fly' status, yet leapt ahead of hundreds of 
applicants to get in.

From: CC
To: above
Date: Sat Sep 21 20:42:42 2002

Message:
money get,s u everything

From: om/cf
To: Get a grip
Date: Sat Sep 21 19:56:00 2002

Message:
Well, I sure wouldn't call Bush a godsend or perfect. Also, I do 
think in future elections paying attention to a candidates 
business dealings should be looked upon as a possible conflict 
of interest in the Oval Office. Unfortunatly we are always left 
with two choices with any real hope of winning.  The ongoing 
investigations into the ?intelligence? failures is a must and 
there MUST be complete co-operation with the investigators. 
Already we see a almost unbelievable lack of co-operation 
between the C.I.A. and the F.B.I. leading up to 911. Its like 
these two agencies worked for two seperate countries. They 
ultimatly work for us, and they failed to do the job they were 
entrusted with, miserably. Hopefully this investigation will 
sort some things out and point out which honcho's blatently put 
the citizens of America in jeapordy. As a taxpaying citizen for 
whom these agencies work, I would be more than happy to 
personaly fire the fuckups. I have some experience in 
shitcanning and believe me, there will be no doubt in thier mind 
they have been FIRED and not LET GO!

As far as Bush being the real mastermind of the 911 attacks, its 
just a gut feeling, but I think not. If there was enough 
evidence of direct involvment the wolves in the democratic party 
would have been all over that. Career polititions don't stick 
thier bare asses (ca-rears) in the wind without good cause.

I may not laugh as often, but I'll always laugh, its better for 
the soul than crying.  

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Date: Sat Sep 21 22:59:14 2002

Message:
Drink of the day, Samuel Adams Boston Lager. 
 Mastermind and Bush can't possibly exist in the same sentence. 
But Greedy and sorry sack of shit and Bush..well then you have a 
match, but I have to say..Like father, like son. Yes the 
objective only included the family jewels, Kuwait and the Oil 
fields well known to be part of the Bush Dynasty. 
  It really must suck when you have a real maggot like Saddam 
right in the crosshairs, and be told to "stand down", pack up 
and forget the sand fleas. 
  

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: As the dradel turns
Date: Sat Sep 21 23:14:35 2002

Message:
"Hello, hello....this is Arafat, Yasser Arafat, yes, I am 
calling from my palace in Palestine, please.. get me George 
Bush...Yes ok ok I understand.." "Yasser! Sultan, buddy! 
Howdy!" "George, I am in big trouble, Sharon won't let me out of 
the palace, in fact he has leveled the palace and is beginning 
to build a shopping mall! You must tell him to stop! He plans to 
make me sell BAGELS! and .. and BECOME A JEW! you must stop him! 
It is a very very, sad sad day for Islam!" "Now Yasser you know 
the deal, Sharon won't hurt you as long as you play along and 
make me look good" "But George, Your father had so much more 
sense than you, you can't expect the world to believe I am still 
the ruler of Pakistan militia and Hammas when I am confined to 
the ruins of one building!! who is going to believe 
this..who??!!." "Well Kera of CNN believes us and you, yasser. 
She is one hot Jewish momma!...er a real truthful reporter, and 
all of America believes in the million acts of kindness,,..er 
yes kindness." "George! George! you can't be serious! I don't 
even have an out house, how am I supposed to entertain guests 
when Sharon is paving the parking lot to a new J.C.Penny and 
building a McDonalds right next to my bedroom!" "Ok Ok Yasser, 
I'll send a few second rate terrorists your way and let you 
declare them as burger flippers....er I mean religious fanatics 
and show that you still have control of the country" "Ok George, 
but no funny business, the last ones you sent kept asking for 
their Gundom Pilot secret password!"  

From: om/cf
To: all
Date: Sat Sep 21 23:23:21 2002

Message:
In general, I have a almost violent dislike for Geraldo Rivera. 
I did like his comments concerning the Irish Traveler gypsy 
bitch caught going nutzoid on her three year old in the parking 
lot video:

Geraldo from Qatar:
"yeah, we'll talk about Arafat in a minute.."
"I don't want to sound brutal, but she needs her hands broken!"
"I want to see her in a woman's prison, trying to explain to the 
other mothers why she assaulted her 4 year old daughter."

The bitch was pissed Kohl's wouldn't refund cash on some items 
she had shoplifted so she wails on the kid. Funny how her hair 
color changed from blonde to brunette. Luckily the child appears 
in good health from what I've read. Is a court ordered tube 
tying in order? Was anyone else aware of this "Irish Traveler" 
gypsy thieving group? I was not.



From:
To:
Date: Sat Sep 21 23:35:25 2002

Message:
Where is my $*@%#@*Mag Light? Oh camel shit!Colin took it again! 

From: R U MY CUNT?
To: Merlyn
Subject: How is my bitch?
Date: Sun Sep 22 10:04:19 2002

Message:
Do you not like the purple thongs that I bought you for our 
wedding anniversary?  Do you not know that U R MY CUNT for 
life?  Do you think that I would ever stray?  Do you think that 
I could ever strain to poop on the toilet without remembering 
your hard dick in my asshole last week and the piles that I know 
have as a rememberance of your huge cock in my asshole?  Do you 
want to shove fourteen hot dogs up my asshole?

From: R U MY CUNT?
To: Merlyn
Subject: How is my bitch?
Date: Sun Sep 22 10:04:19 2002

Message:
Do you not like the purple thongs that I bought you for our 
wedding anniversary?  Do you not know that U R MY CUNT for 
life?  Do you think that I would ever stray?  Do you think that 
I could ever strain to poop on the toilet without remembering 
your hard dick in my asshole last week and the piles that I know 
have as a rememberance of your huge cock in my asshole?  Do you 
want to shove fourteen hot dogs up my asshole?

From:
To:
Date: Sun Sep 22 10:20:58 2002

Message:
lol @ 9/11/01

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From: lol
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From: Get a fuckin grip
To: Cunt boy
Date: Sun Sep 22 11:44:44 2002

Message:
Yer a sick fucker. Go seek help. 

From: om/cf
To: lol
Subject: LOL!!
Date: Sun Sep 22 12:39:50 2002

Message:
lol @ Arafat singing "when the walls, come tumbling down".

lol @ the cowerdice of bin Laden & al Queerda

lol @ burkas & towel hats.

lol @ placing faith in a murdering, child rapist.

lol @ commiting suicide when told to do so.

lol @ at hiding behind religion and hiding in caves.

lol @ Richard Ried, the shoe bomber.

lol @ 600 idiots in dog cages at Guantanamo.

From: Get a grip
To:
Date: Sun Sep 22 20:44:04 2002

Message:
LoL @ Arafat selling bagels

From:
To:
Date: Sun Sep 22 20:56:46 2002

Message:
Arafat needs a therapist

From: om/cf
To:
Date: Sun Sep 22 22:05:12 2002

Message:
Arafat has a whole lot of money intended for the Palestinian 
people in personal Swiss bank accounts and his family safely 
tucked away, possibly in France. An Egyptian screwing the 
Palestinians, bury the son-of-a-bitch once and for all, and 
peace regains hope right after Sharon is shit-canned as well. 
But first and foremost is a much needed explanation from Justice 
on how the Bears blew a 20-0 lead today!! Almost another miracle 
finish though.

From: .44
To: om/cf
Date: Sun Sep 22 22:49:56 2002

Message:
Don't feel too badly about the Bears.  I'm a Steelers fan, and 
to watch our defense go from 1st to worst is even more painful 
than watching Jerome Bettis struggle to make a whopping 7 yard 
game.  I wish our defense would modify its 3-4, but I'd love it 
if we could get Michael Vick as our QB, as we currently don't 
have one to speak of.                          

From: om/cf
To: .44
Date: Sun Sep 22 23:07:17 2002

Message:
Vick will be a hot commodity in a couple years as free agent, 
assuming he stays healthy. Atlanta nearly beat da bears last 
week. It seems making a drop-back passer of Cordell Stewert aka. 
Slash was a bad move. The QB from N'Ohlaans is a hell of an 
athlete, he took some good hits.

From: USA
To: ALL
Subject: Towers
Date: Tue Jun 11 12:50:27 2002

Message:
Dr. Seuss did not write this though I know he'd be proud!

 Every U down in Uville liked U.S. a lot,
 But the Binch, who lived Far East of Uville, did not.
 The Binch hated U.S! the whole U.S. way!
 Now don't ask me why, for nobody can say,
 It could be his turban was screwed on too tight.
 Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright
 But I think that the most likely reason of all
 May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.

 But, Whatever the reason, his heart or his turban,
 He stood facing Uville, the part that was urban.
 "They're doing their business," he snarled from his perch.
 "They're raising their families! They're going to church!
 They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving,
 I MUST keep the S's and U's from surviving!"

 Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's,
 Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses,
 They'd go to their offices, playgrounds and schools,
 And abide by their U and S values and rules,

 And then they'd do something he liked least of all,
 Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small,
 Would stand all united, each U and each S,
 And they'd sing Uville's anthem, "God bless us! God bless!
 All around their Twin Towers of Uville, they'd stand,
 and their voices would drown every sound in the land.

 "I must stop that singing," Binch said with a smirk,
 And he had an idea-an idea that might work!
 The Binch stole some U airplanes in U morning hours,
 And crashed them right into the Uville Twin Towers.
 "They'll wake to disaster!" he snickered, so sour,
 "And how can they sing when they can't find a tower?"

 The Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping,
 All set to enjoy their U-wailing and weeping,
 Instead he heard something that started quite low,
 And it built up quite slow, but it started to grow-
 And the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing...
 And he couldn't believe it-they started to sing!

 He stared down at U-ville, not trusting his eyes,
 What he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise!
 Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small,
 Was singing! Without any towers at all!
 He HADN'T stopped U-Ville from singing! It sung!
 For down deep in the hearts of the old and the young,
 Those Twin Towers were standing, called Hope and called Pride,
 And you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside.

 So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall,
 With a hand in each hand of the tall and the small,
 And we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope,
 For we still have inside that U-Pride and U-Hope.

 For America means a bit more than tall towers,
 It means more than wealth or political powers,
 It's more than our enemies ever could guess,
 So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless!

From: USA
To: ALL
Subject: WOW
Date: Mon Sep 23 02:17:42 2002

Message:
WOW did I pass through a time warp? Notice the date! wattatrip
...
We are proud of our heritage and those who have so 
honorably defended our freedoms. We celebrate 
Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, and 
Flag Day. We have parades, picnics, and barbecues 
where we proudly wave our flag. As an American, I 
have the right to wave my flag, sing my national 
anthem, quote my national motto, and cite my pledge 
whenever and wherever I choose. If the Stars and 
Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, 
then you should seriously consider a move to another 
part of this planet. 
 
The American culture is our way of life, our 
heritage, and we are proud of it. We are happy with 
our culture and have no desire to change, and we 
really don't care how you did things where you came 
from. We are Americans, like it or not, this is our 
country, our land, and our lifestyle. 

Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to 
express his opinion about our government, culture, 
or society, and we will allow you every opportunity 
to do so. But once you are done complaining, 
whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our 
national motto, or our way of life, I highly 
encourage you take advantage of one other great 
American freedom, the right to leave. 

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: Shitball
Date: Mon Sep 23 08:17:31 2002

Message:
Bill Clinton escapes from his prison where he had been kept for 5
years, for raping monkeys in the D.C. Zoo. 

As he runs away, he finds a house and breaks into it. He finds a
young couple in bed. He gets the guy out of bed, ties him up on a
chair, ties up the woman to the bed and while he gets on top of 
her,
he kisses her on the neck, then gets up, and goes to the 
bathroom.

While he is there, Shitball tells his wife: "Listen, this guy is
a prisoner, look at his clothes! He probably spent a lot of time 
in prison, and has not seen a woman in years. I saw the way he 
kissed
your neck. If he wants sex, don't resist, don't complain, just 
do what he
tells you, give him satisfaction. This guy must be dangerous, if 
he gets
angry, he will kill us. Be strong, honey. I love you"

To which the wife responds, "He was not kissing my neck. He was
whispering in my ear. He told me that he found you very sexy, and
asked if we kept any Vaseline in the bathroom. Be strong, honey. 
I love you
too..."

From:
To:
Date: Mon Sep 23 08:26:33 2002

Message:
Mrs. O'Donovan was walking down O'Connell Street in Dublin, and 
coming
  in the opposite direction was Father O'Rafferty. 
  .
  "Hello," said the Father, "and how is Mrs. O'Donovan? Didn't I 
marry ya
  two years ago?" 
  .
  She replied, "Aye that you did, Father." "And be there any 
little ones
  yet?" 
  .
  "No, not yet, Father," said she. 
  .
  "Well, now, I'm going to Rome next week. I'll light a candle 
fer ya." 
  .
  "Oh, thank ya, Father." And away she went. 
  .
  Some years later they met again. 
  .
  "Well, now, Mrs. O'Donovan," said the Father, "how are you?" 
  .
  "Oh, very well," said she. 
  .
  "And tell me," he said, "Have you any little ones yet?" "Oh, 
yes,
  Father. 
  .
  I've had three sets of twins and four singles -- oh, yes, ten 
in all." 
  .
  "Now isn't that wonderful!" he said. "And how is your wonderful
  husband?" 
  .
  "Oh," she said, "E's gone to Rome to blow out yer' fookin' 
candle." 

From:
To:
Date: Mon Sep 23 08:33:42 2002

Message:
Hillary Clinton goes to her doctor for a physical, only to find 
out that she's pregnant. She is furious. Here she's in the 
middle of her first term as Senator of New York and this has 
happened to her. She calls home, gets Bill on the phone and 
immediately starts screaming; "How could you have let this 
happen? With  
all that's going on right now, you go and get me pregnant!  How 
could you? I can't believe this! I just found out I am five 
weeks pregnant and it is all your fault! Your fault! Well, what 
have you got to say?"  
     There is nothing but dead silence on the phone. 
She screams again, "Did you hear me?" 
Finally she hears Bill's very, very quiet voice.  
In a barely audible whisper, he says, 


"Who is this?"  


From:
To:
Date: Mon Sep 23 08:34:24 2002

Message:
Impotence: Nature's Way Of Saying "No Hard Feelings".

From: MW
To: om/cf, merlyn, .44, Spy and all the other punks
Subject: I'm pretty fuckin far from being okay
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:36:22 2002

Message:
YOU HEAR ME TALKING, HILLBILLY BOY?  I AIN T THROUGH WITH YOU BY 
A DAMN SIGHT!  I M GONNA GET MEDIEVAL ON YOUR ASS!

From: .44
To: MW
Date: Mon Sep 23 09:44:38 2002

Message:
Well, them there's fightin' words, Clem.  Your'n cayuse is 
uglier n' a skinny razorback.  We don't cotton to squatters.  I'm 
a callin' you out!  Git out of town or commence to drawin'.       
             

From: Get a grip
To: MW (Maggot Woman?)
Subject: LIME, DILLIGAF?
Date: Mon Sep 23 11:31:15 2002

Message:
Look in my eyes, Do I look like I give a fuck?!?!

From: Get a grip
To: Maggot Woman
Subject: Midevil
Date: Mon Sep 23 12:43:46 2002

Message:
So fuckin' what

From: awm
To: all
Subject: well
Date: Mon Sep 23 14:26:05 2002

Message:
just droped in to say hello to you all glad to see that you all 
are well keep chating and the good work up

From: girl
To: everyone
Subject: brains
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:38:57 2002

Message:
i like potatoes

From: girl
To: you guys
Subject: talybon
Date: Mon Sep 23 15:45:14 2002

Message:
what are mice

From: Justice
To: all
Subject: morons
Date: Mon Sep 23 17:52:51 2002

Message:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/09/23/indo.blast/
index.html

Looks like they were yelling, "Praise be Alalalalalalalala"  
BOOM!

From: Spy
To: MW
Date: Mon Sep 23 18:58:45 2002

Message:
You say you're "pretty fuckin far from being okay "

ha ha ha--------ya sure got that right 

From: om/cf
To: Justice
Date: Mon Sep 23 19:13:01 2002

Message:
Thankfully, stupidity is a must have quality to even be a 
terrorist. They damn sure have a hell of a time operating hand 
grenades. I remember months back a terrorist being chased by the 
police in Yemen waiting a little to long to toss it. I suppose 
black market hand grenades don't come with instructions and 
helpfull hints!

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Subject: multitasking
Date: Mon Sep 23 21:43:28 2002

Message:
I see it is a hard choice and to operate a gernade and become a 
martyr at the same time causes confusion LOL! The other thing is 
being able to count......timing is everything!

From: om/cf
To: Get a grip
Date: Mon Sep 23 22:36:39 2002

Message:
Abdullah (terrorist trainee): "OK now, let me get this right, 
how long do I have before the grenade blows up in my hand?"

Mohammad Usama al-Mommahadafit (terrorist extrodinaire): "Allah 
will give you a sign, such as ....uh.... maybe a cohort, sitting 
next to you, yelling "throw that m****f***er already"!!!!"

From: Walter
To: Justice
Date: Tue Sep 24 00:49:09 2002

Message:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/09/23/indo.blast/
                                           index.html


 Thanks for making my day!!!!  LOL!!!Dumbasses!!
Just like on cartoons---kept the grenade--threw the pin!!!

From:
To:
Subject: Please tell yer missus to go home
Date: Tue Sep 24 03:09:58 2002

Message:
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From: om/cf
To: all
Subject: the shortest dossier I could find
Date: Tue Sep 24 07:05:03 2002

Message:
Iraq weapons dossier at-a-glance (UK REPORT)
BBC News ^ | September 24, 2002 | BBC News

Posted on 09/24/2002 1:30 AM Pacific by MadIvan
(MadIvan is a citizen of the U.K., a website designer and founder
and owner of FreeBritainia.com)

Here are the main points of the government's 50-page dossier 
evidence against Saddam Hussein, published on Tuesday. 

Current position: 

*Iraq has "military plans" for the use of chemical and 
biological weapons, even against his own population. 
*Some weapons are deployable within 45 minutes of an order to 
use them. 
*Saddam is one or two years off building a nuclear weapon.
Iraq has constructed engine test equipment for a missile capable 
of striking British military bases in Cyprus, Nato members 
Greece and Turkey and Iraq's Gulf neighbours and Israel.
*Saddam has tried to acquire "significant quantities" of uranium 
from Africa despite having no civil programme that could need 
it. 
*Iraq has "tried covertly to acquire technology and materials 
which could be used in the production of nuclear weapons". 
*Specialists have been recalled to work on a nuclear programme. 
*It has developed mobile laboratories for military use. 
*Iraq is preparing to conceal evidence of weapons and 
incriminating documents from weapons inspectors in the future. 


Missile programmes:

*Iraq has retained up to 20 al-Hussein missiles, with a range of 
650km, capable of carrying chemical or biological warheads. 
*It has started deploying its al-Samoud liquid propellant 
missile and extended its range to at least 200km, beyond the 
150km UN limit. 
*Iraq has started producing the solid-propellant Ababil-100 and 
is trying to extend its range to 200km. 


Saddam's power: 

*Saddam has retained authority over command and control 
arrangements to use chemical and biological weapons. 
*Intelligence reports say he may have delegated authority to his 
son Qusai. 
*Saddam does not regard weapons of mass destruction as a last 
resort.
*Saddam regards the possession of weapons of mass destruction 
and ballistic missiles as the basis of Iraq's regional power.


Funding:

*Chemical, biological, nuclear and ballistic missile programmes 
are "well funded".
*Iraq generates income outside UN control to an estimated 
$3billion in 2002.
*Illicit earnings are used to maintain Iraq's armed forces and 
to develop or acquire military equipment including chemical, 
biological, nuclear and ballistic programmes. 
*Illicit earnings have increased from around $1bn in 1999 to 
$3bn in 2002.


Iraq under Saddam 

*Saddam uses patronage and violence to motivate supporters and 
control or eliminate opposition. 
*Saddam practises torture, execution and coercion against 
enemies. 
*He pursues a long-term programme of persecution against Iraqi 
Kurds, including the use of chemical weapons. 
*People are arrested and detained for alleged political or 
religious activities. 
*Executions carried out without due process of law with 
thousands of prisoners executed. 
*Women prisoners at Mahjar are routinely raped by guards. 
*Prisoners at Qurtiyya Prison in Baghdad and elsewhere left in 
metal boxes to die if they do not confess. 
*Penalties for criminal offences include amputation, branding, 
cutting off ears and mutilation. 
*"Slander" against Saddam results in having tongues removed 
*Some 40 Saddam relatives, including women and children, killed. 

From: afganistan
To: amerika
Subject: kalifornia
Date: Fri Mar 22 11:03:36 2002

Message:
fak  you

From: Get a grip
To: above
Date: Tue Sep 24 08:23:42 2002

Message:
Fak u 2

From: Get a grip
To: om/cf
Subject: sad saddam
Date: Tue Sep 24 08:29:03 2002

Message:
In the history of the region and to understand why Kurds are 
being gassed in Iraq we must look way back to World war one, and 
how the land was divided up regardless and often in 
contradiction to ethnic and political boundaries. It seems also 
that this is when the Jews began their effort to create the now 
Jewish state of Israel. To live in a land full of scorpions, you 
have got to have a potent sting. And as Saddam was put in power 
as sympathetic to American and European needs, he has shifted 
like the sand he stands on. If we consider his "homeland" it is 
obvious why. To do anything in the land of human suffering you 
must be as he is. We just seem real nervous at the thought of 
Saddam going nuke. 
  Question is, How do you replace Saddam with anything better? 
Whoever is in control of Iraq is going to have to be a mean 
motherfucker and able to deal with cut throat maggots. 
  I think the Islamic leaders know this all too well, as does 
much of the rest of the UN. Until this answer comes, war with 
Iraq will continue to be a waste of time in their minds. 
  But here we see a snake of another color about to rear its 
head, the world bank & IMF are going to have a meeting this 
Friday, and the opposition is at the ready. Fur will fly and the 
catfight is about to begin. Why does this all seem interrelated? 
Mmmmmmmmmm. Couldn't possibly be something to do with money; Oil 
and natural resource, now could it!

From: view from afar
To: get a grip
Subject: rationality
Date: Tue Sep 24 10:07:01 2002

Message:
you are a well-briefed and coherent individual please stay with 
your interesting point of view

From: refreshed
To: the tough-guys
Subject: boys doin the real work
Date: Tue Sep 24 10:11:09 2002

Message:
i saw a british documentary last night (panorama) which gave a 
good insight into not only the Afghan situation, but also US 
soldiers mentality. I was refreshed to find that they were much 
less gung-ho than many knobbers on this board they had a 
balanced view and though were not sympathetic to the taliban, 
said they wer very brave fighters and not one had shown any 
attempt to surrender even in the face of certain death. These 
were guys from the 101st airborne so they were a pretty decent 
outfit. I respected their viewpoints and many of them said they 
had read about what these guys believed in and though they felt 
they had been brainwashed they had some understanding now why 
they are so fanatical. I can't tell you how much US soldiers 
went up in my estimation. After listening to the armchair 
generals here saying turn the place to glass etc. It's nice 
toknow that the guys at the sharp end have got more brains than 
eagle eye and his like and that is probably why they're still 
alive.

From: Get a grip
To:
Subject: opposite
Date: Tue Sep 24 10:43:34 2002

Message:
In Iraq, water is like gold, very scarce and control over it is 
not unlike our struggle for oil. Without water they will die, 
unlike our thirst for oil, we could survive. To really 
understand why Israel, being such a small part of the Middle 
East, is such a big deal, we must understand survival in this 
region. Israel happens to be in control of and borders to one of 
the very few resources for fresh water. Ever wonder why they 
have a cultural habit of not bathing? It is simply because they 
have been raised in a land where using water to bathe is 
considered waste. Also to consider is that the majority of 
Jewish settlers are from Russia..a real sore spot when it comes 
to Muslims. 65% of the world s oil supplies lies beneath the 
Middle Eastern desert, projected to be gone in about 85 years 
from now. Being one of the world s largest cash resources, it 
goes to follow that large corporations, banks and governments 
are preoccupied over it. What bewilders me is that with this 
resource and social history, this is about the most backwards 
part of the world, second only to Africa. Human anxiety and 
ethnic struggle mark this region since the beginning of known 
time. That seems to be the one factor that has never changed. 
Religion has been used throughout the history of the Middle East 
as a reason to do many things. One of them is to justify Murder 
and subjugation. As powerful a tool as religion is, it has 
historically only been used once for liberation from oppression 
in a way that is non warlike.  And the parting of the red sea, 
plague and the coming of Christ have taken such a prominent 
place in the history of the Middle East, one would have hoped 
there might have been progress. But even that dim spark of hope 
was turned into a cruel and bloody crusade. 
   Now the  world order  consisting of the world bank, the UN, 
Industry, corporations  and NATO revolve around this diminishing 
resource like a pack of vultures. Pray tell, when the oil is 
gone, what little will be left.

From: Justice
To: all
Subject: interesting website
Date: Tue Sep 24 11:12:22 2002

Message:
http://www.itshappening.com/indexbz.html

From: Get a Grip
To: Om/Cf
Subject: Who pays the bill?
Date: Tue Sep 24 14:06:31 2002

Message:
Wisdom and Politics, rarely are they ever related. From a white 
bread point of view, Saddam is all that is evil. Put in power in 
1979 he fueled hate for America in Iran by the likes of 
Ayatollah Khomieni  and others. Now indeed he has taken on the 
color of that hate. Perhaps in light of his surroundings, one 
sees yet a very different picture. Congress cannot swallow the 
thought of a blank check to GW Bush for war with Iraq, as many 
are clear in thought. Bush sees nothing to loose, hell he will 
be out of office and reaping the gains by the wars end. Congress 
won't... They will be stuck with the bill, and I don't mean 
Clinton.

From: Get a grip
To: refreshed
Subject: some didn't fair as well
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:26:22 2002

Message:
Early on there were a few that came back from the Afghan front 
lines, they killed their wives and comitted suicide. A hand full 
they were, but it spoke loudly of what they faced. Some cannot 
face what they have had to do nor the memory of what they have 
seen. 

From: om/cf
To: Merlyn
Subject: picking up the check
Date: Tue Sep 24 18:17:58 2002

Message:
Ultimatly us taxpayers will pay all the bills in this war on 
terror. In money and lives. Bush Jr. doesn't have the advantage 
of obvious Iraqi agression that his pops had. Remember the Gulf 
War bandwagon? WOW! That was something. The feeling I get from 
average citizens where I live is most are against the U.S. 
attacking Iraq at this point. Somewhat sadly, I have to agree. 
Why add ammunition to the terrorists recruitment arsonal? "Look, 
the Great Satan attacked defensless Iraq". Bush Sr. was fond 
of "staying the course". I have no doubts that this war on 
terrorism is proper and just and long overdue, I just want some 
thought to go into our actions and to stick to the high road and 
not stoop to the level of the terrorists themselves. We have the 
assets to do this, and do it right.

From: Walter
To: om/cf/Justice
Date: Tue Sep 24 20:15:28 2002

Message:
I got this idea......
What we do in Iraq is just like we did in Afghanistan:except 
instead of dropping food packets,just as we're sending in the 
ground troops,we drop packets of Pop Rocks(remember those?)
 When those idiots(who so dearly love blowing things up,along 
with themselves)start feeling those little rocks exploding in 
their mouths,they'll all be running around screaming their heads 
off,and we can just walk in,pass out the Snapple to wash that 
shit down,and take over the whole country once again.
 The problem is:what the hell are we going to DO with it?

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Tue Sep 24 21:53:43 2002

Message:
Pop Rocks and Atomic Warheads, kill 'em with candiness.

From: Walter
To: om/cf
Date: Tue Sep 24 23:18:05 2002

Message:
Candiness.........LOL!!! But maybe closer to the truth than we 
know........
 The military jets flying in and out of S.A.C.lately are probably 
expending more energy than it would take to kick Saddam's 
miserable ass once again.Remember how big he talked last time 
about the"MOTHER OF ALL WARS"!I think a lot of people felt a 
little cheated.The air strikes were supposed to"soften the 
enemy",not completely cripple him.....LOL!
 I don't know if I'm for going over there yet,but I know it would 
be a mistake to wait until After he pulls his next 
stunt.Something nuclear.
 

From: om/cf
To: refreshed
Date: Tue Sep 24 23:43:33 2002

Message:
With all due respect to your sudden mindset change after 
watching a documentary on television, please don't attempt a 
badly done patronizing apology at your previous insensitive 
remarks. As politely as I can put it, shove it up your royal 
arse!!!  

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Wed Sep 25 00:19:53 2002

Message:
I guess thats the thing. Im against attacking Iraq now. Two 
years down the road Saddam kills 100,000 people and we are all 
kicking ourselfs in the ass. Falling back on "TOLD YA SO" won't 
be much consolation. Blair's dossier didn't reveal many unknown 
things but I thought the current capability of Iraq to hit 
British bases in Cyprus was interesting and Im sure T. Blair did 
too. Can you imagine having to make such decisions? Christ, I've 
got to deal with the union assholes in McCormick Centre on 
Lakeshore Dr. at the end of this month for the Pack Expo machine 
show. A 24 hour work day getting our machines to our booth, its 
fucking unbelievable. Im an old hand now, a wad of company cash 
and cases of product we use to de-bug the machines will help 
with the union crooks! Palms will be greased. I hate unions, 
they had their day, but now most are criminal organizations.

From: om/cf
To: Walter
Date: Wed Sep 25 00:52:16 2002

Message:
Pack Expo is the end of October, ahhh Im relieved and sleeping, 
I have no idea how I typed this......

From: .44
To: om/cf
Date: Wed Sep 25 01:10:42 2002

Message:
Being the oft-time insomniac that I am, I decided to check the 
board.  (I see that Tales From the Crypt comes on at 2; maybe 
that will help me sleep.  There's a sick pun in there somewhere, 
not intended!)  I'm concerned that as yet there isn't an overt 
plan as to how to set up some type of democratic (constitutional 
republic?) system in modern-day Babylon.  Yes, we can beat Iraq 
again, but as so many on the board say, what then?  It seems that 
the answer lies in showing potential leaders in the region (not 
just Iraq) that there is more to gain by making their nations 
stronger than there is by invading other countries.  That means 
capitalism.  It means free enterprise without micromanagement by 
an overbearing government.  What is so troublesome for me is that 
these nations see the corruption of those who head up the major 
corporations and accompanying illegal accounting practices, and 
it scares them away from all things capitalistic.  Maybe 
concurrent with drawing up the battle plans, we should work on 
making our fortune 500 has more integrity by auditing them every 
other year if not more often.  The bottom line is this: if we 
show pro-terrorist nations that capitalism and free elections can 
work, while improving on them in our own country, then we just 
might be able to set an example for those nations to follow, 
rather than being one which they see as hypocritical and 
dishonest.  I say let's reintroduce integrity to our nation, and 
if we're still hated by those nations then our position will be 
not only stronger than it already is, it will be virtually 
unbeatable.                                     
                

From: refreshed
To: om/cf (armchair knob-general?)
Subject: what?
Date: Wed Sep 25 03:27:38 2002

Message:
When did I said I'd had a mindset change, for someone to go up 
in your estimation does not indicate that you thought badly of 
them in the first place, it's relative. also what insensitive 
remark are you talking bout? 

From: my faithfull moustache
To: yous
Subject: ready to rumble
Date: Wed Sep 25 06:58:34 2002

Message:
oh yeah!, hardy fuckin harr!

From: Get a grip
To: .44
Subject: Capitalism
Date: Wed Sep 25 08:18:16 2002

Message:
In  word, Capitalism is "Terrorism" to the Islamic. Any 
ownership outside the religious community is deemed evil by 
those who preach the Muslim faith, thus the term Infidel for any 
and all who amass wealth without religious position within the 
society. If we look at the Middle East in terms of culture we 
see literally thousands of warring tribes. In a land where half 
of the very scarce in-land water is not suitable to drink (like 
the dead sea, suitable name) we can see why implementation of a 
religion that subjugates the population to a life of inability 
and supposed doctrine of peaceful inactivity is effective. Any 
aggressive behavior is deemed reason for radical punishment, 
like dismemberment, mutilation and stoning to death in a public 
square. Quite the opposite to a society like ours that allows 
violence and hardly even correctly enforces a punishment that is 
predominantly just confinement and rarely a humanitarian death. 
  To these people, as we see in Afghanistan, Capitalism is only 
a return to the gangland fades and tribal wars. It simply will 
not work. To succeeded in getting capitalism to work in the 
Middle East you would have to have a Israel does, people who 
migrate into the area that understand capitalism and a 
government ready to clamp down and deal with a couple of 
generations of change before these dune coons could ever govern 
themselves in a capitalistic or democratic society.
  Now here is the kicker..that is what Saddam was made president 
of Iraq (in 1979) to do.........

From: Get a grip
To: .44
Subject: Edited
Date: Wed Sep 25 09:53:27 2002

Message:
In  word, Capitalism is "Terrorism" to the Islamic. Any 
ownership outside the religious community is deemed evil by 
those who preach the Muslim faith, thus the term Infidel for any 
and all who amass wealth without religious position within the 
society. If we look at the Middle East in terms of culture we 
see literally thousands of warring tribes. In a land where half 
of the very scarce in-land water is not suitable to drink (like 
the dead sea, suitable name) we can see why implementation of a 
religion that subjugates the population to a life of inability 
and supposed doctrine of peaceful inactivity is effective. Any 
aggressive behavior is deemed reason for radical punishment, 
like dismemberment, mutilation and stoning to death in a public 
square. Quite the opposite to a society like ours that allows 
violence and hardly even correctly enforces a punishment that is 
predominantly just confinement and rarely a humanitarian death. 
  To these people, as we see in Afghanistan, Capitalism is only 
a return to the gangland feuds and tribal wars. It simply will 
not work. To succeeded in getting capitalism to work in the 
Middle East you would have to have as Israel does, people who 
migrate into the area that understand capitalism and a 
government ready to clamp down and deal with a couple of 
generations of change before these dune coons could ever govern 
themselves in a capitalistic or democratic society.
  Now here is the kicker..that is what Saddam was made president 
of Iraq (in 1979) to do.........


From: .44
To: Get A Grip
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:08:36 2002

Message:
I called in sick today, so I could FINALLY get some rest.  
Anyway, I've had my nap, and now I'm on the board.  Thanks for 
responding to my post.  I suspected that my post would come off 
sounding too idealistic to work, but I wanted to take a shot at 
it anyway.  There are those who would accuse me of being 
ethnocentric, but like you I maintain that approx. 5,000 years of 
feuding amongst the various factions has led to very little 
advancement toward peace and stability in the reguion.  So now we 
see that many of these folks are spreading their unstable ways 
around the world.  A woman about to be stoned to death in the 
Sudan.  Militant Muslims raising hell (ironic?) in England and 
getting kicked out of Holland.  And, of course, Sept.11 AND the 
ever-present threat of al Qaida operatives in such places as the 
US and the Phillipines.  Add to that the danger of Saddam, and 
one can see that there are only two ways to approach the problem.  
The first of these is what you responded to, which is that we 
might demonstrate to the people of the Arab mideast -the average 
guy and gal- the merits of capitalism, along with the incentive 
it provides for one to improve things for him- or herself and/or 
family.  The second way to deal with the problem is to rebuild 
our military as quickly as we can, after Clinton tried to geld 
it, and hit Iraq hard.  If we go into Iraq, we must be prepared 
to fight in Baghdad.  That means building to building.  It means 
having to face such unenviable tasks as securing blocks, streets, 
building facades, and my personal favorite, stairwells.  This 
means getting bloody.  If we take the latter of these two 
approaches, we will win, but at a price.  And we won't, as 
Clinton would say, "be home by Christmas".  The idea of sending 
in special forces to kill Saddam sounds good, but in recent years  
our intelligence capability was compromised, again by Boy 
Clinton.  Saddam has any number of look-alikes for such an event 
as Saddam's assassination.  The most immediate problem is the 
timing: while we equivocate over whether or not to invade, 
Saddam's regime continues to amass mass-destruction weaponry.  On 
balance, it appears that invading Iraq is our most immediate 
priority, but after that I sure hope and pray that he isn't 
replaced with another dictatorial asshole.                         
          

From: Get a grip
To: .44
Subject: Mafia
Date: Wed Sep 25 12:55:49 2002

Message:
Many relate Saddam to a Mafia type leader. Like a cancer it is 
infesting throughout and deliberately so. Alqueda is that 
cancer. A fight in Iraq has to be done with respect to the pre-
World war one, world order. We don't need to flair the anti 
Muslim propaganda by doing what they have been claiming all 
along is a blatant disregard for their culture. 
  We need to make Iraq into New Texas, and likewise with 
Afghanistan. This goody goody give it back to the rightful 
owners is idealistic bullshit. The rightful owners were wiped 
out decades ago. 
  A real solution, and one that I think is most likely, would be 
to completely secure the borders, not the half ass shit that was 
done in Afghanistan, and then destroy any installations by air, 
followed by ground assault, special forces and ultimately a 
takeover. Anything short of it will be a waste of time. 
  The aftermath needs to be clear cut and supported. This is 
where I see the problem. And I don't see any evidence of that 
solution yet.

From: shitball
To: .44
Subject: Off Work?
Date: Wed Sep 25 14:21:37 2002

Message:
If you took off today, who's doing all the dick sucking?  I 
guess there are a lot of lonely human and animal dicks out there 
who are lonely for your mouth?

From: .44
To: S-baller
Date: Wed Sep 25 14:55:03 2002

Message:
Does your mom know you're on the computer?  You know you're 
not suppposed to use that kind of language.  It's bad enough 
that you still live with your mom, but it'll be even worse for 
you when she grounds you -and you, at age 51!                   
                 

From: Shitball
To: .44
Subject: My limp dick
Date: Wed Sep 25 16:09:51 2002

Message:
I haven't been able to get hard for twenty years! I take Viagra 
but it only stays hard when I play with it, then it goes limp 
again. What is an old senile faggot to do? I can't get any 
queens interested in my limp dick!

From:
To:
Date: Wed Sep 25 20:28:09 2002

Message:
Isn't that funny?

From: om/cf
To: refreshed
Subject: A requested explanation
Date: Wed Sep 25 21:50:20 2002

Message:
I re-read your post to which I took offense. Regardless of your 
opinion of U.S. troops, what you have to understand is that many 
on this board are one and the same with that you find room to 
praise. Those soldiers in the documentory, in essence, are us. 
Im sure the wilder, more vocal soldiers were given the day off! 
I percieved your post as an attack on Americans who post here. 
Your mention of Eagle Eye in particular bothered me, like him or 
hate him, the man pulls no punches. Since Eagle Eye rarely posts 
here anymore, and since you are obviously British, my assumption 
was that you possibly were a former anti-American poster named 
U.K. Voices or Right Said Fred. If Im wrong, I apologize, and Im 
a big boy who can admit to being wrong. It sure wouldn't be a 
first.

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Wed Sep 25 23:06:09 2002

Message:
Russia: Moscow Seen As Moving To Increase Military Ties 
With Central Asia

By Adolat Najimova

The international antiterrorism campaign allied many of the 
Central Asian countries with the United States. Russia, 
initially nervous about this development, later said 
strengthening ties between the U.S. and Central Asia did 
not pose a threat to Russian interests in the region. 
Nonetheless, Moscow in the past months has made efforts 
to re-establish its own military ties with these states. 
RFE/RL spoke to U.S. experts about the Russian moves 
and their implications for security and stability in Central 
Asia. 

Washington, 6 August 2002 (RFE/RL) -- In the months 
following 11 September, as U.S. relations with the states of 
Central Asia deepened, Russian President Vladimir Putin 
said the increased Western presence in Russia's traditional 
sphere of influence did not pose a threat to Moscow.

Indeed, Putin himself quickly aligned Moscow with 
Washington in the fight against international terrorism.

Almost one year later, however, as the military presence of 
the U.S.-led antiterrorism coalition in Central Asia 
continues, Moscow is seen as increasing its efforts to 
revitalize its own military ties to the region.

For example, Russia's "Kommersant" newspaper recently 
announced that Moscow is drafting a military agreement 
with Kyrgyzstan that may include the return of Russian 
troops to Kyrgyz soil.

At a recent meeting in Moscow with Kyrgyz Ambassador 
Kemelbek Nanaev, Russian Security Council Secretary 
Vladimir Rushailo announced joint efforts to fight terrorism 
in Central Asia.

Rushailo's Kyrgyz counterpart, Misir Ashirkulov, was also 
quoted as saying the issue of deployment of CIS military 
forces at an air base in the Kyrgyz city of Kant was almost 
decided and that Russian Sukhoi 25 warplanes soon would 
be stationed there.

In addition, the Russian military on 18 July inaugurated a 
sophisticated optical tracking facility in Tajikistan that is 
capable of monitoring objects in space. Some 20,000 
Russian troops are already stationed in Tajikistan, mostly at 
the Tajik-Afghan border.

Ian Bremmer is president of the Eurasia Group, a research 
and consulting organization in New York that specializes in 
Central Asia and the Caspian. He sees no contradiction in 
the desire of Central Asian states to forge stronger ties with 
both the U.S. and Russia because Russia is looking west, 
as well. "The NATO-Russia Council, Russia joining the G-8, 
means that for these countries, closer ties with Russia 
does not necessarily mean competition with the United 
States. And that's important, because -- let's face it -- there 
is not all that much outside interest in Central Asia. So from 
the perspective [of the Central Asian states], the more 
interest they can attract, the more people they can attract to 
actually set up shop in their countries, the better it is for 
them, whether you are talking about multiple pipelines or 
increased infrastructure or access to businessmen and 
capital markets," Bremmer said.

Bremmer said the military and security wings of the 
Russian establishment may be unhappy about the U.S. 
presence in Central Asia, but that it is difficult to argue when 
Putin himself is leading the efforts to improve relations with 
the West.

Bremmer said the U.S. also does not see Russia's 
expanding military ties with Central Asia -- for example, the 
new agreement with Kyrgyzstan -- as a threat to its own 
interests. "I think that the fact of Russia having its own 
security guarantees and relationships with [Kyrgyzstan] will 
not be viewed by most in the Bush administration as 
threatening to U.S. interests. And I think that down the road, 
in six months, in a year or two years, you could even start to 
talk about having those relationships occur in a more 
multilateral fashion under the NATO-Russia umbrella," 
Bremmer said.

Meanwhile, the Central Asian states are maximizing 
improved ties with the West to improve their own economic 
and security situations.

The "Financial Times" recently quoted Kyrgyz President 
Askar Akaev as saying that Western forces should remain in 
his country for many years. And the country's deputy prime 
minister, Jomart Otorbaev, said the presence of U.S. and 
European troops at military bases in the country should be 
seen as part of daily life in Kyrgyzstan.

Kazakhstan, meanwhile, is also expanding its military ties 
with the U.S. Kazakh and U.S. officials signed a document 
last month that permits U.S. military planes in the 
antiterrorism campaign to use Almaty airport. Earlier this 
month, the Kazakh Defense Ministry announced the U.S. will 
be providing financial assistance to modernize the country's 
military forces.

The U.S. Senate also approved a $110 million aid package 
for Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan to assist these 
countries in combating terrorism. And last week, the U.S. 
ambassador to Tajikistan, Franklin Huddle, announced 
plans to provide additional U.S. training to the Tajik Army.

Analysts don't see the simultaneous U.S. and Russian 
actions in Central Asia as a contradiction. Andrew Kutchins 
is a director of the Russian and Eurasian program at the 
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a 
Washington-based think tank. He said the Central Asian 
states are uncertain about the commitment of the U.S., 
while they know Moscow has long-term interests in the 
region. "Even though [Russia's] power, its capacity, has 
diminished tremendously in the last decade to promote 
security in the region, or even to subvert security in the 
region, that is likely to change as Russia recovers," 
Kutchins said.

Kutchins said the governments in Central Asia understand 
the importance of maintaining good ties with Russia. He 
said he does not believe the dual U.S.-Russia military 
presence in the region will create instability. "The 
tremendous improvement in U.S.-Russian relations since 
11 September lessens that possibility. It certainly doesn't 
mean that it can't happen, but it also means that it is 
certainly not an inevitability," Kutchins said.

Kutchins said that up until now, relations between the 
Central Asian states and the U.S. and Russia have been on 
a bilateral basis, with the countries in the region 
participating in both NATO's Partnership for Peace Program 
and the CIS Collective-Security Treaty.

Kutchins said now that the U.S., Russi,a and the Central 
Asia states share common interests -- namely, to combat 
terrorism and religious extremism -- relations can take on a 
more multilateral dimension.



===============


AZERBAIJANI PRESIDENT LAUDS RUSSIA'S APPROACH 
TO FIGHTING TERRORISM 
In a 24 September address to students and faculty of the 
Moscow State Institute for International Relations, Heidar 
Aliev expressed "full support for Russia's struggle against 
international terrorism on [its] national territory, Russian 
news agencies reported. In a possible veiled warning that 
Baku may resort to military force to restore its control over 
the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic if talks to 
resolve the conflict by political means fail to yield a 
settlement, Aliev affirmed that "Russia is actively fighting 
against international terrorism and shows where this 
struggle should be [waged by] political [means] and where 
other methods should be applied." Speaking at the same 
meeting, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov echoed 
Aliev's statement of two days earlier, affirming that 
Azerbaijan is Russia's "strategic partner," ITAR-TASS 
reported. LF 


PART OF CLASSIFIED GEORGIAN SECURITY COUNCIL 
DOCUMENT LEAKED TO PARLIAMENT 
Parliament deputies on 24 September criticized one of the 
27 provisions of a classified document drafted by the 
Georgian National Security Council listing measures to 
overcome the current crisis in Georgian-Russian relations, 
Caucasus Press and Interfax reported. The paragraph in 
question, the leak of which presidential Press Secretary 
Kakha Imnadze termed "a tragic mistake," instructed the law 
enforcement agencies to take "appropriate measures" 
against any deputies whose actions pose a threat to 
Georgian statehood. Deputies construed that provision as 
an attempt to pressure deputies to moderate their response 
to Russia's ongoing threats of military strikes against 
Georgia. Deputy Boris Kakubava said he and Ertoba 
co-Chairman Djumber Patiashvili top the list of deputies to 
be targeted, Caucasus Press reported. Imnadze insisted 
that the measure does not herald "a witch hunt," and that 
deputies' immunity is not at risk. Interior Minister Koba 
Narchemashvili said on 25 September that his ministry will 
not resort to shadowing deputies or wiretapping their 
telephones, Caucasus Press reported. LF 


GEORGIA AGAIN ACCUSES RUSSIA OF PREPARING NEW 
OFFENSIVE IN ABKHAZIA 
Georgian presidential Press Secretary Imnadze told 
journalists in Tbilisi on 24 September that Russia is 
engaged in a buildup of troops, including Chechens and 
Kabardians, and military hardware close to the Kodori 
Gorge, Caucasus Press reported. Chechenpress.com 
quoted him as saying that some of the forces are Russian 
Interior Ministry troops wearing Abkhaz army uniforms. 
Asked whether the UN Observer Mission in Georgia could 
confirm the buildup, Imnadze said it is taking place outside 
the security zone. But Interfax on 24 September quoted 
Georgian Minister of State Avtandil Djorbenadze as saying 
after visiting Kodori together with Defense Minister 
Lieutenant General David Tevzadze and State Security 
Minister Valeri Khaburzania that "no concentration of armed 
forces is in progress" by either side. LF 

FRANCE TO HELP TRAIN GEORGIAN MILITARY 
Georgian Defense Minister Tevzadze and a visiting senior 
officer from the French armed forces' General Staff signed 
an agreement in Tbilisi on 24 September under which 
France will provide technical assistance to the Georgian 
Army and provide training in specific fields for Georgian 
military personnel, Caucasus Press reported. LF 

From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Wed Sep 25 23:53:31 2002

Message:
China, Kyrgyzstan to hold joint anti-terror military exercise

The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) and the armed 
forces of Kyrgyzstan will hold a joint anti-terror military 
exercise on the border areas of the two countries, Foreign 
Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue said on Tuesday. 


It will be the first time for China to hold a joint cross- border 
military exercise with its neighbor. 

Making the remarks at the ministry's regular press 
conference, Zhang said after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks on 
the United States, anti-terrorism has become a major task 
for all countries and the international community has 
strengthened anti-terror cooperation. 

It is against this background that China and Kyrgyzstan will 
conduct such a military exercise, the spokeswoman said. 

Zhang said this military exercise, the first bilateral anti- terror 
military exercise conducted by members of the Shanghai 
Cooperation Organization (SCO), is a concrete action in 
accordance with the SCO Charter and the Shanghai pact on 
the fight against terrorism, separatism and extremism. It 
demonstrates determination of China and Kyrgyzstan to 
jointly fight against terrorism, she said. 

This military exercise will not only strengthen the mutual 
trust of the two countries, but also have a significant effect 
on maintaining peace in the border areas of the two 
countries, said Zhang.(Xinhua) 



From: theE.S.D.
To:
Subject: InTheNews
Date: Wed Sep 25 23:58:14 2002

Message:
in light of our two previous "publications", the following is 
from the BBC.
------------------------------------------------------------------------



Russia: 

As a permanent member of the United Nations Security 
Council, Russia must give its support if a UN-authorised 
attack is to take place. 

However, Moscow has said that a new UN resolution is not 
necessary now that Iraq has given permission for weapons 
inspectors to return. 

President Putin may be looking for US guarantees that a 
future Iraqi government would honour its debt to Russia of 
about $8bn for past purchases of weapons and other 
goods. 

Some observers also say Moscow would expect the US to 
turn a blind eye towards possible attacks on Chechen 
rebels in Georgia in return for its support. 


France: 

Has backed the return of weapons inspectors, but has 
serious reservations about an attack on Iraq. 

France is one of the European states most keen to resume 
trade with Iraq and win reconstruction contracts. 



China: 

As a permanent member of the United Nations Security 
Council, China must give its support if a UN-authorised 
attack is to take place. 

However, it is not expected to support a military campaign. 

It has welcomed Iraq's decision to readmit weapons 
inspectors, describing this as a "positive step". 

But it may agree to some form of UN resolution in return for 
greater US support over its policies in Taiwan. 


From: refreshed
To: om/cf
Subject: c' mon tell us what it stands for
Date: Thu Sep 26 04:29:24 2002

Message:
fair enough, more power to ya, in all honesty I am not, nor have 
ever been either of the two you mention. We're all in this 
together, and I think the point I was trying to make was that I 
don't want to see young american guys get their heads blown off 
because they din't respect their enemy. I was encouraged that 
the level of professionalism was high, and being an ex-military 
man myself(yawn! I know) I should have known it would be, all 
soldiers I've ever met, and certainly the very good ones I've 
known have had a very cool and calculated approach to combat 
irrespective of the opposition, the failure to plan, is planning 
to fail mentality. i think some of the US troops were starting 
to understand is that a lot of these kids, because that's what 
most of them are, are probably or have been half-decent in the 
past, but boredom, poverty whatever has taken them out there. I 
don't condone for one minute, but we will always have sheep, we 
need to take out the sheperds that is where I see the real evil, 
man who knowingly instigate all this evil for the glory of their 
own egos. doesn't mean they're not gonna get shot on contact, 
I'm not saying they turned into social workers, but as i have 
said on this board before only once we all know why this is 
happening will we beat it. Look at vietnam, tried to stop 
communism by bombing them to fuck, didn't work. But let them 
have communism for a while, and eventually they choose a western 
style instead. 

From: dirk diggler
To: .44
Subject: :-0 <=8
Date: Thu Sep 26 04:49:47 2002

Message:
Has anybody seen my penis envy?

From: GrinOlsson
To: World
Subject: Beware
Date: Fri Oct 19 23:57:42 2001

Message:
There is great tribulation about to begin. Beware, as the 
strongest will become the weakest....And, the weakest will 
become the strongest. Let us pray, that all humans of the world, 
will learn and know the power of the word, called PEACE. Beware 
of the land, known also, as "Bountiful". 

From: Merlyn
To: Grin Olsson
Subject: Beware
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:21:07 2002

Message:
Beware those who preach Dogma. Prophecy is only followed by 
those too stupid to know better. 
>
>Just what day in the walk of war does it become world war? And 
by the same, just who declares it so? By what end is the means 
of power and by what end is that power control? Who's war is it 
and with whom? 
  Where we find ourselves is far from what we are. We are in the 
age of light, unable to see. We talk of peace, unable to stop 
the killing. We burn the earth, unable to extinguish the flame. 
We talk of religion, so far from knowing our faith we cannot 
communicate it. 
  As we approach our own demise, we know not where in the path 
we are. In a struggle to compromise we are compromised and in 
our hope to live we die each day. With each horrific end we see 
yet another beginning. And each beginning we sew another fate of 
lost understanding. 
  A dark cloud in the light of passion, and a day yet to see the 
dawn...

From: Merlyn
To:
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:31:17 2002

Message:
Religion "Banks" on the fact most people are too stupid to know 
better. No one is more divine than another and everyone is 
precious to God. We all know each other in the river of the 
subconscious and by same we all can communicate. It is by 
distraction and subjugation that religion and politics rape us 
of our wholeness and deprives us of our lives when we become 
servants of their social overdrive. 
>
>I see in view a photon tube
Miracle of science brings a view to you
But greed and want have warped this wonder
And now we see hate, death and plunder
Commercial desire and mind control
Rip our fate from our very soul
Sweet goddess give us your will so soft
And prod us gently to turn it off

From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:42:38 2002

Message:
Have a great day, and forget the mind control, just for today
                      Religion sucks
                   It's all in your mind
                          God
                            is 
                            all 
                          around you
                          no church
                           book 
                            or 
                          preacher 
                           can 
                           change
                           that
                            you 
                            are 
                            Gods
                            child

From: Merlyn
To:
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:47:47 2002

Message:
The Pope, leader of the Child molesters, Mohammed was a child 
molester. How is it these people are deemed holy? They are 
fucking perverts! 
  Jesus performed the Pagan rite of passage, drank blood in 
symbolism, and this practice continues today in the Christian 
Church. 
  Muslims and Jews practice subjugation and thus slavery. How is 
this in Gods name? 
  
                    Dogma sucks

From: Merlyn
To:
Date: Thu Sep 26 08:53:52 2002

Message:
Shitball is trying to become a Catholic preist, he says he likes 
children

From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:05:44 2002

Message:
It's rag on religion day

From:
To:
Date: Thu Sep 26 09:07:21 2002

Message:
Drink of the day, Holy water

From: Los Lobos
To: All My Fucks On Here
Subject: WRITING ON CURRENTCY
Date: Thu Sep 26 11:31:40 2002

Message:
A lot of people are writing their disgust with terrorists and 
pussy muslims on money.  That's right.  Lots of people are 
putting on ink their displeasure on twenty bills, ten, singles, 
etc. right where it says IN GOD WE TRUST some individuals have 
written,  FUCK ALLAH.  KICK MUSLIMS OUT OF USA, etc. etc. Kill 
thier sand niggers monkey asses out now.  Fuck the government 
for creating bin laden and financing all the terrorists and then 
turning around and fighting them.  You know the story.  
Meanwhile, munch my asshole...................OR: GET OUT YOUR 
PENS AND WRITE ON MONEY.  BECAUSE YOUR SLOGANS WILL GO ALL OVER 
THE WORLD AND USA, etc.  DO IT NOW YOU FUCKS,.

From: Get a grip
To: Los Lobos
Subject: Us policy
Date: Thu Sep 26 12:11:41 2002

Message:
Lie down with dogs...................

From: polliwog
To: A.S.S.H.O.L.E.S.
Subject: THIS MEANS YOU!
Date: Thu Sep 26 12:06:22 2002

Message:
Cunts, get your pens out and WRITE on a ten five or twenty bill 
and go spend it.  Write your lovely thoughts on Muslim cunts and 
terrorists.  Go do it now you fuckers.  Los Lobos has seen a 
wide circulation of other individuals that discreetly write on 
dollar bills and put anti muslim shit on them.  Eventually, it 
gets into the hands of a muslim cunt and they can read how much 
we hate their guts.  If you had an opportunity to eat out my 
smelly asshole or write your disgust about 9-11 on currency, 
which would be your choice?  EAT MY A.S.S.H.O.L.E.  also go 
write on message board http://www.erikbraunn.com/main.html  he 
is a has been rock star alcohlic for the old Iron Butterfly 
group.  He is a has been drunk that still thinks he will get his 
career back on track after being kicked out of the band over 
thirty years ago. If you have any trouble getting there, you 
could always use your search engine and go to geocities and then 
type in erik braunn and get his pathetic message board. He 
laughed about 9-11.  GO SIC EM NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From:
To:
Subject: erik braunn is a loser
Date: Thu Sep 26 12:17:41 2002

Message:
a loser and a HAS BEEN.  His site is a joke.  A drunk that has 
to go in and out of hospitals because he abused his body with 
alcohol all these years.  Dont feel sorry for the fuck because 
he only cares about himself.  nari